Do you know that one Norwegian special soldier was killed in Afghanistan. Do you know there are a family without a father like a lot of US family and Afghanistan family.
Pray to God that there are not are more killed in the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. What will happen when the your/our soldier go home? Will there be peace? The only i know is that Saddam and his staff is gone.





I don't like war at all





Do you know your history?

Gen Sam

This war has radicalized the average not suicidal muslim to do things they would never have before. Look at the London bombings. Several of them had a wife and kids but they felt the need to defend their religion from their own country (UK). Matter of time before we are hit. Only this time it'll be a few pissed off muslim kidsfrom Chicage, Austin (insert anytown USA) with backpacks full of nails and plastique at your local mall at Christmas time. Until that happens you're right there have been no more additional attacks on US soil. Why would they need to? We're sending our men over to Iraq to get slaughtered. 3,702, that's the number of US casualities in Iraq. 2,974, that's the number of people killed on 9-11. We sent 3,702 of our own people to die in a country who had nothing to do with 9-11, essentially we have killed more of own people than those hijackers did. Plus every little girl or boy, father or aunt we kill in Iraq makes 20 more family members who will NEVER forget who did it. The proof is in the numbers.

Terrorist attacks worldwide since 9-11
2003 172 attacks
2004 655 attacks
2005 10000 attacks

Talk about stirring up a hornets nest. I say death to all crazy islamic radicals but why constantly poke the nest with a stick?

>>>Maybe subjects of Nazi Germany today.<<<

Dont forget it wasnt just USA and the UK in WWII

So from my point of view we can close this thread now.

No way!

I would hate to kill a burgular in my home, but I would do it in a second to keep them from harming my family. The John Stuart Mill quote in my sig sums up my feelings on this whole matter entirely.

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The FULL UNEDITED quote is this...

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their own free choice--is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.
John Stuart Mill, "The Contest in America," pp. 208-09, in John Stuart Mill, Dissertations and Discussions (Boston: William V. Spencer, 1867).

Heavy reading, but it means much more than the "simplified version". Especially of note is the part cut out that states "When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people."

Also of note is the part that states "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself." It could be argued that part of the quote UNDERMINES the justification for war being built upon fear of WMD's, or the "we have to fight them over there so we don't fight them over here" agument since, boiled down, that is about people concerned about nothing more than their personal safety, and thus cheerleading others to do the real fighting while they shop at the mall in peace.

Anyway, John's saying that there are wars worth fighting for as long as strong moral reasons exist and are the prime factor, and those people doing the fighting believe in them. Does Iraq qualify? Was the primary justification to allow the Iraqi's to be free? Would the American people sign on for any war based solely on Mill's theories?

I wish I could have found even more about what Mill was talking about before and after this except. He was an interesting thinker and a "classic liberal", which today it a rare thing indeed. I suppose a classic liberal today is referred to as a libertarian.

Anyway, here's another quote...

"All attempts by the State to bias the conclusions of its citizens on disputed subjects are evil."

Hmmm.

I know you will, i dont think we will get in to trouble. LOL