I never said that weakening the Druganov will make the other guns better, but it will allow them to have the advantage over it. What could a german do if there was Russian snipers with the 30 zoom goin on while G1 is planted and the Druganov is now weakened? There is no way for Germans to make it there if their routes are being sniped. Im just saying that all the weapons are better in the mod. Weakening one is not what we should be doing. Our next tweak will be tuning down another gun that most are going to be using. I see this all as a negative for us.

I'm sorry Nothing, but I think you're losing everyone on your argument. You suggest that "weakening" the Draganov automatically makes the other sniper gun "have the advantage", even though no consensus has been reached on exactly what to do yet, so your conclusions make no sense. How can you know some tweaking will make the Draganov the lesser weapon, and all the other guns better in all instances?

Then you say "There is no way for Germans to make it if their route is being sniped". What does this mean? Both sides have the same guns. Can Germans not snipe back suddenly because the Draganov isn't a devastating, best-of-all-worlds weapon? Really, ya lost me.

You say "all weapons are better in the mod" but 95% of people use one weapon. The Dragnov is the best sniper weapon because of the repeat shot, high accuracy, and no barrel sway or bounce, and still a fantastic mid-range weapon because even without looking down the scope it's accurate, hits hard, is automatic, and has a long enough clip. Someone might argue a drawback is the clip size, but if you haven't killed a guy in 20 shots, you're likely dead anyway!

Frankly, I think it'd be nice if single shot snipers were the best long range weapons, ak-47's (and like weapons) were the best mid-range, and the mac's could remain the room clearer of choice. Ideally, the Draganov would be a hybrid of a long range and mid range weapon, not as good as the best at either, but a good combo of both. That's generally how weapons work. Nothing is the best of all world's in real life. I understand you like to sit and snipe with the Draganov in a defensive mode, and what's so awesome is even when people get close they still have no advantage on you since the Dragnov is still a great mid-range weapon. But that's the problem. That's why almost everyone uses one weapon. No matter you style of play, you might as well use the Draganov. If you want to rack up the most kills then you just, sit back, snipe at people as they move towards you, and battle one-on-one for the few you make it through the sniper fire.

Personally, I'm going to express a different opinion from many in saying don't think the Draganov makes noobs great. The best players are still better with a Draganov. But I don't like that if you actually try and make your way across the map and close the gap between guys camping on hills and whatnot, you still have to have a close-up showdown with the same weapons. Like I say, I can remember showdowns with Abuse or Blitz, me with a ppsh or a mp44, dodging and weaving rifle shots, trying to close the gap so my weapon can become effective. The advange changed as I moved closer. That was interesting and exciting IMO. Now, the game mostly is the first guy to see another guy squeezes the trigger first, and the Draganov does most of the rest. Sure, I'd love the gun if I was the only guy using it, but when everyone on the map uses it, it becomes a whole series of 40-100 yard battles that last 0.3 seconds, the winner 80% of the time being whomever pulled the trigger first. Less strategy, less variety, and less reward for those who try and push through all the sniper fire to actually plant a base. Combine the fact the rocket launcher make tanks into 40 tonne coffins, and really, the only weapon of choice for people who don't like to handicap themselves is a Draganov and a rocket so you can run at superspeed. There is no debating it, the Dragnov is the best weapon, hands down, and all other weapons currently pale beside it. If someone is currently fantastic with a single shot sniper rifle, they'd be better with a Draganov.

Anyway, this is all IMO, but I think/hope I'm speaking for others. I've been hardly playing Barb lately but I think I still speak for some people here, and am just trying to give voice to that.

If we take away or weaken the Druganov, it will be a complete snipe fest.

It's already a complete snipefest.

If we're using markers, I think 90 is acceptable. Learn to hit bases from two spots if it's an issue! I mean, you're sitting back at home anyway. Being "marked" isn't a big deal there. And maybe marking people who find one spot and do all their damage from there is part of the reason for the marker anyway?

Can we put a schmeisser-MP40 in this new mod? LOL - I'm horrid with these new weapons

What frustrates me is when I am down to one base (say R3), and the enemy stops attacking to plant.

The line up on the hill and snipe people as they spawn and don't come into the village.

Jeez, come get my base. I haven't got all day!!