Another thing I hate is that attacks like these drive yet an even further wedge between conservatives and liberals. At the time when we should all be uniting to cope with what happened, many conservatives are saying "Nuke 'em" and the liberals, understandably, get mad about that. Then, the conservatives, also understandably, get mad because the liberals appear to support what happened by worrying about the freedoms of people who could be terrorists.

Here's the main issue: nuking the middle east would solve nothing. There are billions of muslims in the world, mostly peace-loving ones. But, if we went and nuked their homelands, killing their families, then they too might become somewhat more radical. Then the problem would be even more widespread than it already is. Face it, there are probably thousands of terror cells already operating in every major country in the world, and muking the middle east would drive them to even more desperate measures. They would probably throw caution to the wind and go on killing sprees of vengeance. That would make the situation worse than it already is.

However, we cannot sit and do nothing. I do not know what can be done, but the answer is not to fight among ourselves. The problem is that no matter what we, the Western world, do to try to reach out to the middle east and help, they (refering to the muslim extremists) will view it negatively. If we leave them to their own devices there, then they will probably slaughter the Israelites, consolidate their power, and launch more attacks. They will have won, and the terror tactics would then be proven successful and repeated whenever they desire something more.

We do have to take a stand and empower the peace-loving muslims to control the Middle East so that there is hope for a peaceful future between us. However, as I said before, I do not know how that can be done. But I do know that it will never be accomplished as long as there are people in our own country calling each other "liberal commies" and "warmongers." Attacks like these should unite us, not divide us. So cut out all the name-calling and insults; now is not the time.

1. There will always be a divide no matter what anyone does. Because liberals/democrats will always hate republicans/conservatives and vise-versa. This problem divides my family in half, my moms side of trhe family are liberals, dad's side of the family are conservatives, but both my parents are conservatives. Its so bad that we cant even have a nice Thanksgiving or Christmas together. My parents and dads family try not to let it bother them, but my mom's side of the family is keen at trying to start fights, and.. well.. they do. My aunt ruined my last birthday party because she couldnt keep her big yap shut, and by the way, she loooooooves getting my mom and dad all riled up and pissed off. I know that this info is irrelavent to the topic but i figured it would help show that there is a ununifyable (spelling?) divide between the political parties.

2. Frosty your absolutely right. No matter what we, the US, does someone in the world will be upset by the descision. its a lose-lose situation. But like my dad tells me all the time, "Why should we care what another country thinks of us. This country needs to do what it needs to do, regardless of what fuckin Mongolia thinks of us. Bush should say 'Screw you, were doing what we need to do to straighten this bullshit out. You dont like it, don't come to live here.'"


Just my 2 cents.

So everyone is entitled to their own opinion but...



...doing so is apparently a sign of insecurities. Nice little syllogism there.

I take offense that you call everyone else a "commie liberal." Name calling is something kids do, hence your need to grow up. Your mommy and daddy and their families have nothing to do with the political debate, kid.

And jesus, I'm pretty sure RealDeal wasn't serious about the nukes, Ghost. I'm sure he was just frustrated, as we all are.

i disagree i say bring out big bertha and if that dont scare them then use the nukes or we can always send phatboy over there hell make them kille themselves

This post has been edited by Ice_Cold: 07/08/05 10:09am

i have an awesome idea....lets start a holy war.... im down....
really screw it lets kill all the muslims... seriously...like someone said, there is more then just arab muslims. (i am sorta kidding) if you really think about it we do need to kill of the muslim right wing extremeists. but that wont help, for every 10 we kill 100 will step up to take the place of the martyr. so what is your idea? anyone? education would work, but they cant be educated and it will take to long. (longer then it will take them to detonate a nuke in LA.) so what should we do people???

oh wait...no matter what we do it will make the situation alot worse...so bombing them into the stone age will work fine. a nuke really isnt a great idea. (then we can use the land right after.) i say stop forieners, from select countries from entering the us. and for gods sake CLOSE THE MEXICAN BORDER!!!!! should have a mile wide open area (buffer) between mexico and the us...anyone cought in that mile gets shot. that will stop all the bs. same with canada, they need to step up the security at the border. sooo who wants to start shooting the arab stores up?

I agree 100% Silver. Same thing my dad said, Make a 2 mile mine field. you get across it without any injury or lost limbs you can stay.

hey holden, this is for you.

You say we can't nuke them because its too MEAN and SAVAGE. Correct? Do you think that this reasoning will stop them from doing it? HELL NO. I think we should give them a taste of thier own medicine. Any terror attack they do to us, We do something 5x worse back to them.




Oh and Holden, you don't think I'm frustrated about all this BS? Well, open your eyes, kid, i think almost everyone in these forums are frustrated and distressed about these attacks.

How about we start with Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia to name a few. Our enemy is muslim and wears a turbon(sic?). That's what I know.

And for those muslims here in the U.S, it's time for internment camps again.

Sorry, just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

The muslims have been fighting their holy was for 1000 years. It's going to take DRASTIC measures to stop them. Drastic times call for drastic measures. We are in drastic times. Wake up folks, we are losing the war on terror. We cannot fight a "politically correct" war. It's not going to work. Innocent people are going to die this is true. But innocent people are being killed everyday by terrorists.

Remember Pearl Harbor? Pretty drastic huh? Fast forward to Hiroshima... pretty drastic huh? But I think our point was made loud and clear.

We need to do something drastic. It's the ONLY way we can win the war on terror. You cannot negotiate with these people.

I think the so-called "abuse" at Gitmo got more press in the U.S. than yesterday's terrorist attacks in London. Something's wrong with that. Something's wrong with the way our country is heading.

We cannot continue on like this and something drastic must be done.

And I am very serious about my above statements.

Read the whole post before you reply. I said that those situations were irrelavent to this topic but i wrote about them to back up what frosty said about there being a divide between liberals and conservatives.

Well, you're right. Throwing away the Constitution and ruining the principles this great country was founded upon is about as drastic as you can get.

Think about this. A woman who is beat up by a cop is going to get more news coverage than a woman who is beat up by a thug. The US is the cop. Britain is the woman beat up by the thug. The Thug is terrorism. The US, AND NOT ANYONE ELSE, HOLDS ITSELF TO HIGHER STANDARDS. Thus, when it betrays its principles, that is more newsworthy and more cause for alarm. Once this country goes down the shithole, as it's been doing so well lately, a lot of good things will be lost.

Finally, someone i agree with.

Real, you are damn right we cant fight a politically correct war. It's physically impossible.

And with the Pearl Harbor statement. Agreed again. See, back in 1941 people in the US had the perfect mindset. "Someone attacks us, We'll attack them back. Only harder." And, back then the President of the US, Franklin Roosevelt, had the balls to order an attack on Japan. Along with Doolittle, Doolittle also had the balls to take the fight to the heart of Japan.

In my opinion, WW2 was the LAST war we will ever win, because of the pansies in this country that will not let Bush do what he needs to do to put an end to terrorism once and for all.

There's always a but... and I'm sensing another contradiction...



bingo.

I think behemoth said something about it being pointless to argue here. Just go vote and organize.

Sounds like subtle racism to me. Once again, Muslims-Americans are Americans just like you and me buddy.

They are no different than you are. Sorry to break it to you.