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[Cpt.Canuck]

Hey guys,

Just looking over the stats section this morning, which I love, by the way. But I was wondering: are kills with the pak guns not recorded in your stats section? Or under what category do they fall...?

[Maj. H8Red]

They count for kills but not itemized ( I guess ) I would love to see PAK stats

[Undertow]

Good thing the kills count with pak's or H8 wouldnt have any!!!!

[Maj. H8Red]

[Cpt.Canuck]

Hmm... I thought I'd do a little test:

I killed 37 people in a row yesterday with a pak gun on Smolensk; however it does not show in my kill stats under 'longest streak.' I don't think such kills are recorded at all.

[HammaTime]

Wow, Captain! Imagine what your stats would look like if they were counted! Makes me wonder if there are other specialized weapons that aren't counted as well.

While we're on the subject of stats, are any of you familiar with VSP stats? I don't know if they would track Pak kills or not, but lots of clans are using this free stats processor, including After-Hourz. What I've always enjoyed about VSP stats is they track who you've killed and who has killed you. That provides a great incentive for in-game play. On servers running VSP stats, I would often hunt specific people just to raise my kill/death ratio against them. Another bonus is they track team wins. That helps focus people on winning for the team and not just padding their own stats.

VSP stats: http://www.5th-gradient.com/vsp/

-Hamma


Another advantage to VSP stats is that they track aliases so you can quickly see if someone is spoofing another player's name, or using multiple names while gaming. Has MOB ever considered using VSP?

This post has been edited by HammaTime: 02/25/06 11:26am

[Druid]

The Pak guns are not recorded right now because the are not stock to the game, they are addon's to barb and Smolensk.
It looks I can configure them into the stats.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

The Pak guns are not recorded right now because the are not stock to the game, they are addon's to barb and Smolensk.
It looks I can configure them into the stats.

Hmm. This is interesting. I noticed this before when I got an 11 kill streak in about 1 minute right after the stats reset and the kills didn't show up.

However, I almost think perhaps it is good it isn't kept as a stat. Using the gun when protecting an objective during a plant is fine, but do we really want a bunch of people padding their personal stats by sitting on a gun and launching into another teams spawn/base all day all the time? Admittedly it is unfair that people who use a pak for defence aren't having their stats properly affected, I think the positives of not tracking it probably outweigh the benefits. And this is a person talking who uses the pak to defend plants in Barbarossa and gets a lot of easy kills that way. Personally, I'm happy to know I acheived my stats without the benefit of pak kills.



MoD

[Maj. H8Red]

but do we really want a bunch of people sitting on a gun and launching into another teams spawn/base?

Sure, why not? I used to do it all the time, even though sittin' on it for any amount of time you are vulnerable to snipers.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

but do we really want a bunch of people sitting on a gun and launching into another teams spawn/base?

Sure, why not? I used to do it all the time, even though sittin' on it for any amount of time you are vulnerable to snipers.

Well, I just consider it "cheap" kills. You learn to point at a branch on a tree and hold a button...and you can kill 10, 20, 30 kill streaks if your team can keep you protected, which usually happens only by chance, not by brilliant strategy. Start tracking the stat, and everyone will want to pad their stats with it.



Also, although Slyk might not be making anymore edits, perhaps someone else can. For BA, removing the 45 that can be used to spawn rape Germans at their own base would be an idea. Captain Canuck might be really good (trust me, I know), but he isn't 37 kills straight good, except for the fact the Germans apperently like to put guns in positions whose only purpose is for the opposition to use against them!



Those are just just my opinions of course, but I think many are expressing the fact that Smolensk, despite being a way cool map, has some play issues on BA. The other key to fixing it might be to redo the respawn positions closer to bases so people can get back after a death. Games end too quick because defence is so hard to do. Even if you have people dedicated to it, if they die the base falls because they rarely have enough time to get back. In Barbarbossa, if a base starts to get planted about the time you respawn, you can literally run to every base in time to cut except for maybe the German 1. In Smolensk, forget about it if there isn't a jeep available. Only two bases are within run distance I think.

On conquest, even though I only played a bit, I think the balance seems good.



MoD

[Maj. H8Red]

I started using them in Barb. b-cuz it was a safe & easy way to take down bases. If I killed ppl in the process, then it was all good. Then I learned other places that more than likeky will result in a kill or two, keeping the enemy in their spawn & away from our offensive objectives. IMO it's good strategy to know how to use them!

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

I started using them in Barb. b-cuz it was a safe & easy way to take down bases. If I killed ppl in the process, then it was all good. Then I learned other places that more than likeky will result in a kill or two, keeping the enemy in their spawn & away from our offensive objectives. IMO it's good strategy to know how to use them!

Just to be clear, I do know how to use them and I do use them. I take tops off bases if we can't do it by conventional means, and I shoot from them to protect plants. I just like the idea that perhaps all those kills that come so easily aren't pumping up people's stats. If it helps the team win, that should be enough.

[Maj. H8Red]

I, personally would like to see the stats for PAK guns. I didn't mean to sound like you didn't/couldn't use them. I think that if stats were kept & ppl starting noticing, they might not be as effictive due to snipers, keeping an eye on them, which are a big problem to me now....lol

[Druid]

A big thanks to Cpt.Canuck for pointing out Pak gun kills were not recorded.
Well, it turns out lot's of kills were not recorded because the added weapons in the vehicle pak used on Barbarossa & Smolensk are not stock to the game.
Here is a list of weapons from the vehicle pak
pak45_turret_mp
pak40_turret_mp
ba10_turret_mp
bt7_turret_mp
jagd_winter_turret_mp <<-- I don't think this is actually used in the game, please correct me if I'm wrong
kv1_turret_mp
mortar_turret_mp
pziii_turret_mp
pziv_turret_mp
stugiii_turret_mp
t34_76_turret_mp

Sometime in the next day or two, I will be re-running all the archived logs for Barb & Smolensk so the stats will correctly show all the weapons.

[Maj. H8Red]

You mean, we had kills that weren't recorded? whoa. You're right the Jagd_winter is not used.
Thanks Druid