Exploits, Hack or fair game? Options

[Genocide Junkie]

Hey Guys,

This came up and reminded me of another thread going right now so I thought I'd bring it up. Is it a hack/lame/wrong to use exploits on the maps... i.e. getting somewhere the map maker didnt intend. Behind the map etc. What are your thoughts? Fair game or lame hack?



Junkie

[HammaTime]

We have a firm policy on this. Do it and you will be banned.

If you want to talk to someone about this policy, I would direct you to Cross of Iron. He has racked up more bans for play outside a map than anyone else in the clan. He delights in finding people who get outside the map.

We don't warn for this offense. We ban immediately.

This post has been edited by HammaTime: 09/29/06 10:52am

[Lord Lipton]

going outside of the map i understand, but having a high FPS that allows you to get up in certain places isn't exploiting. i know a few places on cassino/carentan/dawnville etc. where i can get up places people usually wouldn't (not like a nade jump or panzerfaust jumping...like people used to do on cassino..COUGH DDZ NOTHING COUGH...) but just knowing certain nooks and crannies has always been going on at cassino. of course, lots of people know all these places now so its not a rare occurence, or an unfair position. therefore, i don't consider them an exploit. usually you actually stand out more and have no cover, making it NOT an unfair advantage.

[T/A6Pak]

About 5 months back I was fooling around on a server with a few others. They showed me get to an area outside the map...it was really weird and took alot of work. Just wondering why it would be worth a ban if you have done nothing illegal to get there...meaning no cheats/hacks just alot of hard work?? The way I figure it...this one map...it was part of the game area as far as I was concerned...just had to work your way around to make it..cetain jump...anyways..I kind of forgot about it until now..just thought I would throw in some food for thought.

[Cross of Iron]

on certain maps,if ppl go out of bounds,there are holes in the map,so you have a clean shot into bases etc,and ppl cant get to you.so this is an unfair advantage.

So this is why we ban for it.

[HammaTime]

If you ever hear someone complaining about a "wall hack" it is usually because someone has gone outside the map where they can shoot through everything. On some maps, it is possible to exploit holes in a map to position yourself outside of the map so you are shooting up from below the floor of a base. The person inside the base can't see you, so this is a completely unfair advantage and not part of the planned gaming environment.

Jumping to get into unique positions isn't a hack, it is just climbing, as long as you stay within the map boundaries.

[Lord Lipton]

100% agreed

[CommanderChoth]

There are also specific MG exploits that I know people discourage on maps like cassion. There are places you can set your an MG and shoot but it will appear that you are behind a short wall. I think that's fair if people honestly didn't know, and most players will say HEY move, that's an exploit!

As for going outside of the map. I was on a custom map and one of these punks was doing this. I derived great pleasure in finding my way outside of the map, hunting him down, and killing him. Obviously, there was no admin, so in that case, I find it justified. But otherwise, it's super gay

[TheGhost]

Geno was this topic sparked because of pepper's "outburst" last night?

Just to let everyone know, drpepperman threw a hissy fit because gene wouldnt let him go out of the map on GOB_touzer (spelling?) last night and left vent.

[Lord Lipton]

pepper threw a fit and left?! NO WAY

[pezking]

But otherwise, it's super gay

cosigned

[Genocide Junkie]

Ghost that's exactly why it's posted.... just curious what others think... I have my own opinion and I'm sure you can guess what it is...

Junkie

[TheGhost]

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[Genetics]

I'm sure most COD2 players are aware of the Tozuer exploit, easy to do yes. I would consider it ok but there are walls that you can see through back there. You can't shoot through them but you can see through them. I told Pepper last night that if he exploited I would kick him. He started to whine then left. Looking for mikes input on the map... Is it a kick if we catch someone do it???

[sironyx]

I agree 100% with that policy. I remember how easy it was to get under the map in Destroyed Village, and how many we banned for it.