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[pezking]

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[UNDEAD 1]

thought id post my opinion on bonds breaking the record. although ive never liked the guy ,as well as most , you have to give him credit . if you look at the link below at his career stats ,from 86 to 2000 (14 years) this guy was a slim ,dble ,trple ,bunt and steal guy who was a second generation player and dominated the league .



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Bonds#Career_statistics



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Bonds#Bonds_on_Bonds



the steroids era has really given the amarican pastime a black eye imo . most say that through out baseballs history that players have used other drugs to play through injury or get that extra edge but i think theres a huge difference between steroids and uppers. another thing to look at is the fact steroids have been around since 1930 and didnt start testing atheletes till the 60s (i think) so whos to say other greats didnt use them?since the senate hearings the majority of players caught have been pitchers ,with the exception of rafeal palmarro ,if some one has that stat id be interested in seeing it.



my hats off to a guy ,who ive always disliked mostly because of his attitude (hes no cal ripken) but has dominated this game of baseball and HAS to go down as one of the best players of all time. was glad i got to see it!

[Barkmann]

Well thats good he broke the record.....wow.....



He used steroids to get so big and started to hit homers like mad, but i think in other ways it was good for baseball cause of all the lock outs they had, and baseball needed something to make the fans happy.

[landser]

I still feel bad for the old guys like roger maris an hank arron.the 3 guys who got more than 61 homeruns in a season have been accused of steriods or cork sammy, mark an barry.records dont stand for over 30 years an than start getting crushed.bonds average a homerun every 20 at bats with the pirates in 7 years.than a homerun every 10 at bats with the giants in 15 years.not to mention 75 pounds of bulk i think he might be hacking.

[Nothing]

I have got to say that I have no respect at all for Bonds. He played for many years and was no where near the Batting average or Home Run total that he has now compared with him in his early career. No-one increases this much in his average and home runs in his later years without using some sort of performance inhancing drugs. He is a complete disgrace to baseball. Just as if a hacker was to have some sort of kills to death ratio or total kills high in a game due to his hack.

We have the ability to perform a blood test to find out if he was on it, why not insist that anyone that wants to play in major league baseball and make the millions of dollars that they are making MUST take this test at least twice a year???? Is it too much to ask for???? Otherwise, have them find another way to earn a living like the rest of us. Shit, if someone asked me to give a blood test to earn millions each year I would ask them 1 pint or 2?

[UNDEAD 1]

theres no doubt he WAS on roids ,half the league was as well. lets take the world series with the diamondbacks and yanks ,the big unit (randy johnson )and curt shilling both pitched on barley any rest ,i believe randy pitched 3 games and curt 2 games ,curt did this later with the sox aka bloody sock. this is actually unheard of in baseball , both players played as well as sosa the year after the senate hearings and you dont hear much from them these days as they are mediocre players . shil actually said a bunch of shit about guys being pussies who take the roids-was waiting for someone to call him out,lol.



the fact that not many writers give ANY ball player in the "steroid era" any credit and alot want the records taken away is the black eye im taking about. what about cal ripken?tony gwynn? ricky henderson?roger clemens? maddox,glavine,smoltz ? a rod isnt any bigger (except his contract) and yet hes ALMOST where bonds is.all these guys have a question mark next to them in the hall but i think these are the ones who had a work ethic.



what i posted before was the years 1986 to 2000 for barry bonds who was a skinny second gen player who was not on roids (i dont think) and who dominated the league. thats 14 years of stealing bases ,rounding out triples and doubles an rbi king. im sure when he realized he had a shot at hanks record thats when the juice came in and why not if %50 to %70 of the rest of the league is doing it,hell i wouldnt even put it past the commisioner looking the other way because mark and sammy brought baseball back-if you remember.



if your a baseball fan such as my self , baseballs in trouble so keep in mind that while attendance is down at almost every park excluding a few ,for a mediocre player , as of 07 ,is signing 100 mil contracts. wait till this year when theres like 15 major players as free agents its going to screw things up big. i took my 2 year old to the park and between 2 cheapy tickets ,parking,2 hotdags ,2 cokes ,bag of peanuts and a shirt------$135.00 ,good thing i left my wife home . the stadium (marlins) was a 1/4 full. about 3000 people.

[Barkmann]

Well 135.00 isnt to bad for a baseball game,

try taking your kid to a hockey game at the ACC in Toronto lol

135.00 is like the aveage ticket price for one person



But i agree with what you posted Undead

[Cpt. Snot Rocket]

MLB has known about rampant roid and drug use for ages. The MLB decided to turn a blind eye on this. They openly encouraged it's use in the form of pathetic penalties if someone was caught. I still remeber Selig show casing his "very tough" overhaul of the drug policy a few years ago. The seventh offense constituted a ban. The SEVENTH!!! What a joke.No wonder Conress wanted to step in.

That's why I stopped following baseball several years ago. The sport is in total ruin for a true ball fan.

May it RIP.







This post has been edited by Cpt. Snot Rocket: 08/08/07 9:28pm

[pezking]

Have you guys noticed the editorials about Bonds breaking the record? Nobody has come out and said, "he doesn't use steroids" they are just talking about how he's a great player even though he's using roids. That's messed up. I don't know why they can be so hard on some athletes, let's say for betting on a game. They say that it ruined the integrity of the sport. Hello? So you factor in the steroids and then the elbow HR swinging brace... wtf? With this philosophy, hockey goalies should be able to wear pads of any size and place pieces of concrete in front of their net to where they'd like. I remember when Patrick Roy broke a few records and Glen Hall (and a few others) were talking about how an asterisk should be by his name because of the equipment changes and enlargements over the years. I thought they kind of had a point, but at the same time, the game is so much faster than it was...even 20 years ago. Shit, I remember watching ESPN classic of Roy's rookie season in the playoffs and the game seemed really really slow. A lot slower than I remember watching it back in the day. Anyway, I'm off subject. I think they should actually test Bonds a few times and if he tests positive for steroids, strip him of his record. It's pretty obvious when a guy is good... or above average in his early and mid carreer, but then blossoms in his twilight years and becomes HR champion. Anyone who watches any sport will realize that most players in their later years aren't contributing in that way, especially baseball. God... I can picture it now... 10 years from now, Bonds will write a book and come forward about taking steroids. He'll be on every talk show. Scratch that, the record will be broken in a few years and hopefully he won't be remembered as a HR champion.

[*Triggahappy13*]

What people don't realize is that roids dont suddenly make you magical if you have ever played serious baseball you know how hard it is to hit a homerun. If you just followed Bonds since he broke the top 10 list for HR's please don't talk




(as you can tell I don't like people who bash bonds)

This post has been edited by *Triggahappy13*: 08/09/07 12:21am

[pezking]

Yes, I agree that it still takes talent to hit the ball and to hit it well. I'm not saying that Bonds isn't a great player. I think McGuire was a great player when he was thin and in Oakland at the start of his career. Bonds was still a good, above-average player in Pittsburgh. I just think it's odd how he blossomed into a totally different player in the twilight of his career. BTW, still not seeing anyone say that he doesn't do steroids.

[UNDEAD 1]

pez, he WAS on steroids ,theres no question what so ever . this is the reason alot of the players were hurt most of the next season or didnt perform well after the senate hearings .ill list them if you want ,two of which would be giambi and sosa.they test these guys often ,infact i believe they hired the olympic testers for the job and ill bet bonds is tested more than most.



bonds knows what happend to palmiero (the only hitter) when he got caught right after he hit his 3000 hit ,it basicly made him the league baffoon and made his record a joke !coming from a fan of his since i was young i was upset as well being there were 9 pitchers caught prior to palmiero and the only news it got was across the bottom of the tv screen during other games ,the media was foaming at the mouth for a hitter to get caught and still are waiting for the bonds story. this is why bonds stayed out of baseball with the "knee" injury to train and get back intoshape,he wouldve broke this record 2 years ago if he was still on the stuff.



ill say this for roids,a guy like me who takes a cycle and tries to hit a ball its not going to work.if you take an ATHELETE whos been playing a game since he was 2 and put him on roids the game will be real slow to him. right now the pitchers are taking human growth hormone but they dont test for that. would it help a batter ? maybe a little but its mostly a recovery thing.

[Nothing]

What people don't realize is that roids dont suddenly make you magical if you have ever played serious baseball you know how hard it is to hit a homerun. If you just followed Bonds since he broke the top 10 list for HR's please don't talk




(as you can tell I don't like people who bash bonds)

OMG, are you serious?? Just to make it clear before I make a statement here, I have been following baseball very closely since 1986. Thats when I truely was a fan of baseball. Back when Strawberry and Gooden were having their drug problems, lol. When you take a player that has good hand eye coordination, and that would probably made it into the hall of fame someday based on his already good stats he was providing through his career and then you give him performance inhancing drugs, you make a monster.

Bonds is a piece of trash. He cheated to get better in his sport. Anyone that thinks otherwise, I feel really bad for them as they have issues of their own.

[UNDEAD 1]

lol, nothing- i still to this day see strawberry and his drugged out self here in fort lauderdale on a typical friday night .



anyway i do have to back triggerhappy up with this , wether or not you like him ,you still have to give the guy credit.if barry bonds never broke hanks record ,he would still be a shoe in for the hall based on his perfomance since 1986. this coming from a guy who thinks hes a real jerk and should be more like tony gwynn! heres some pics.
i believe in 2000 is when the doping started or just prior. theres no way he was doing it in between 86 and 93 no way!


the first one is 1993 the second is 2000. then the bottom 2 are 1986. plus add inthe guys getting old as well.

This post has been edited by UNDEAD 1: 08/09/07 12:53pm

[Nothing]

I didnt say that he wasnt a good player before the roids. He was, and probably would have made it in anyways. What Im saying is that It is disgusting that he had to cheat and use these drugs to accomplish the most prized record in baseball. For that reason alone, I will always have no respect for this guy. Just as if someone would have caught a MOB great player if not our best player cheating. I would have no respect for that player. Have any of you seen the movie Mr. 3000? This reminds me of Bonds, but add the roids to the picture.

This post has been edited by Nothing: 08/09/07 12:52pm