An Inconvenient Truth, A movie on the topic of Global warming. Options

[Spartan]

I write this now to Inform You all that you should watch this movie..."An Inconvenient Truth".

This Movie Is all about Global warming effects on earth. The Prompter Is none other than Former American Presidential Candidate "Al Gore". He speaks about how The world is changing for the worse and how WE are contributing to the problem..He talks about Floods, Destruction of Rain forests, Melting of the Ice Caps, etc. He even goes on to talk about our car emissions and so forth. I urge you all to watch this movie Not only to inform yourselves of the problem but also to see what you can do to help reduce global warming.

Their is a survey in on a website "ClimateCrisis" which gives a rough estimate as to your current Contribution to the greenhouse effect. Mine a stunning 18.75...the average being 7.5..I was truly shocked by this movie and I hope that it will change your outlook on the subject as well. I urge that you go down the corner to your neighborhood blockbuster and Rent this movie. There were soo many shocking and disturbing Images and Graphs and Calculations from Leading scientists that it was simply and utterly shocking. I overuse the term when I use "shocking" but I mean it.

this movie is fascinatingly Interesting so if you have the time I recommend that you watch it.

[Cpt. Snot Rocket]

NO offense Spartan, but that movie is a bunch of half baked lies and wild suppositions.

In a word, it's Al's attempt to scare everybody into voting for him for President.

This post has been edited by Cpt. Snot Rocket: 02/24/07 11:37pm

[HammaTime]

NO offense Spartan, but that movie is a bunch of half baked lies and wild suppositions.

In a word, it's Al's attempt to scare everybody into voting for him for President.

No offense, Vinny, but I'm surprised to hear you say that. Enough time has passed to allow scientists to evaluate the claims made in the movie. There are indeed a few minor errors, but overall, according to the scientists who have researched the facts cited in the movie, Gore did a good job of presenting the information accurately.

Here are some articles that back up this claim:

National Geographic

Real Climate

Salon

Slashdot

You can find many, many more articles that fact check the movie, but clearly, the majority of facts mentioned in the movie have been widely accepted by the scientific community. This really is an issue that transcends political theater. In a way, it is too bad that it was Al Gore who produced the movie. I wonder what the reaction would have been if it had been made by someone outside our polarized national politics.

Many who have seen the movie are unaware of Gore's previous national best seller, "Earth in the Balance" which was first published in 1992 when he was a Senator. This topic isn't something that Gore has come to only recently. He has been seriously involved in climate issues for decades.

[Leadmagnet]

alas, much of the world's pollution originates in China and India, mostly from open topped wood/oil cook fires....but, when you have over half of the world's population stuffed into a small area, its tough not to pollute. Then again, Gore and the Clinton's have been in China's back pocket for years....and that isnt going to change anytime soon. I hate when this country is blamed for the world's ills.



Lead

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NO offense Spartan, but that movie is a bunch of half baked lies and wild suppositions.

In a word, it's Al's attempt to scare everybody into voting for him for President.

...wow.

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I don't disagree that there are political motives with the movie. Gore has encapsulated the challenge of the next century, and if educating the populace is how he goes about garnishing political will, its better than any other method I have seen. Case in point the current fear monger. Gore is presenting scientific fact.

David Suzuki, a 'popular' scientist in Canada has become much more vocal about the current state of global warming in the last year, I suspect in part due to Gore's docudrama so cheers Gore. Although not as polished, his message is the same. Suzuki is a real advocate for education and the environment, his website is a great place to get information, to be involved, to educate, and inspire.

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/

Lead, you are right! Our (north america and europe's) responsibility in this is not so much change our habits, although this goes hand in had with the real challenge. This is to identify and bring about solutions that can be adopted in the "third world" and manufacturing economies... this is critical. Otherwise any changes we make, as lead alludes, will pale in the destuction caused by these regions.

I will be totally honest, the current state of 'climate change' and our complete arrogance about it, scares the living piss out of me!
I second Spartans request, if you haven't seen this, go and rent this documentry!

[Spartan]

I really don't care if this is political or not for Gore but what he is talking about makes a Lotta sense I mean the Leading nation contributing to the problem isn't Russia or Japan or china...IT is the United states. We contribute what 3-4 nations dish out combined. some states haven't even tried for a change in what they burn and contribute the the overgrowing problem, some states excluded from this such as California and the 9 states in the North east of the country. This guy isn't only talking to us about it he has gone around the world to try and make a contribution to stop this. I mean for your generation it won't matter but for the one's that will be stuck with the problem in the future it will be.

Global warming is happening. I mean If You look back 2 yrs ago the Hurricane Katrina was more powerful than what hit Florida way back when ( Hurricane Andrew ). The only reason Katrina became a threat is because after Florida it moved into very warm waters and intensified. then battering New Orleans.

[Leadmagnet]

the destruction of the wetlands of the world, and the increase in urban sprawl, especially at sea level, is a receipe for disaster, global warming or not.

Providing a solution for global warming? Un-enforceable as far as i can see....Kyoto Accords haven't been ratified by all of the nations of the world; the Japanese still refuse to stop whaling and unrestricted gill net fishing. The United Nations can't enforce its will on any of its member nations.

The decline of strategic resources, specifically oil, is going to be the primary issue in the next 20 years. People moan and groan about "blood for oil, blah blah blah" but petroleum is necessary in everything we have and build today. A century ago, people used wood and metal and wool and clay for what we use in petroleum based products, especially PLASTIC. Imagine a world without plastic. I cant. And someday, we are going to run out of it. The war for the control of strategic resources has started and wont end until we are all under one flag, whatever that will be......


So until then,




Leadmagnet

[Cpt. Snot Rocket]

I think this is great stuff for debate. But, before we all bend over and take massive tax hikes to control "Global Warming". We need to be sure that First, that it is something that mankind notably effects and Second, we CAN or should do something.

First, We all know MANY of these scinetist get paid from Govnt Grants to study this Global Warming event. What good does it do to disprove ones own paycheck?
http://www.epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?pa...p&id=257909

One of the biggest hits for Big Al is the increase in Hurricanes in recent times. It is a blatently false pretense to say that science can link Hurricanes to global warming, Carbon Dioxide or any other such thing. Besides there isn't even any PROOF that Hurricanes are increaseing.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...convenient.html

Big Al presents Dr. Mann's findings as fact that the temperatures are rising in North America. But seems all the other scientist say he is science is wrong.
http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/co2wee...20060718_06.pdf

The Snows of Kilimanjaro's. The snow is not disappearing because of "global warming". It is disappearing because the land at the bottom has changed and dryer air is rising up the mountain face that in years past. Even National Geographic notes that "many factors" go into the snow on top of the hill.

Then we have all snow and ice disappearing in the Artic and Greenland. Well, in the 1930's Scientist say the Artic temperatures were actually higher than now. Hmmmm. Could the the small areas where ice is melting possibly be from natural occurance? And what about all the other areas where snow and ice are accumulating? How can that be?
Funny how all that ice that covered North America 10,000 years ago seemed to disappear without any help form SUV's, Oil Companies and chain smokers. FACT: The Artic ice has actually INCREASED from 1973 to 1996. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

My position is that the global climate temperature has been increasing (about 0.6C) since the late 19th century, well before the industrial revolution. We have no true consesus from the scientific community on what impact, if any, mankind has on this trend. Therefore, unitl we do we should act as responsible custodians of our world that God gave us. But, we should not take drastic measures, spend Umpteen Trillions of dollars and outlaw the internal combustion engine as Big Al suggests. Lets get the facts straight first.

Cheers,

Vinny



For further reading,

Point by Point refute of Big Al's Movie

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/gore.html



This post has been edited by Cpt. Snot Rocket: 02/25/07 8:03pm

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

alas, much of the world's pollution originates in China and India, mostly from open topped wood/oil cook fires....but, when you have over half of the world's population stuffed into a small area, its tough not to pollute. Then again, Gore and the Clinton's have been in China's back pocket for years....and that isnt going to change anytime soon. I hate when this country is blamed for the world's ills.



Lead

The US is the world's #1 contributor to greenhouse emmisions.

The US is big enough, powerful enough, and rich enough to change that. But it has to try. And it has to stop blaming "Al Gore" for summerizing the view of 19 out of 20 scientists.

Is there any other issue in the world where half the US population is willing to dismiss the view of 19 out of 20 trained scientists to believe 1 out of 20?

[Bargod]

I don't know if there is "Global Warming" or not. All I know is that in my lifetime (at 35 years) I've seen it swing back and forth. I remember distinctly in 4th grade (you do the math) hearing about "Global Cooling". Oddly enough that was one of the "snowiest" winters I remember. I was living on the Jersey shore at the time. I remember walking out of school one day and seeing HUGE snowflakes. To this day I have not seen snowflakes that large ever again, (my brother in Jersey tells me the snowflakes were that large again this year).
Anyway, in college I took some science. I studied a bit about thermal dynamics of the oceans. The fact is, when the ocean (Atlantic) has more salinity (warmer) the storms are worse. When it is cooler (less salt in the water due to more fresh water off the polar ice caps) the storms are fewer.
So, if global warming meant the ice caps were melting than there would be more fresh water in the ocean making it less saline and hurricanes less frequent and weaker in strength. I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just saying that not all arguments about global warming stand up to independent science, as far as I can tell. Here is a link to back that from National Geographic: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...rricanes_2.html

Also, after Katrina many people used recent hurricanes as evidence of global warming. Well, oceanographers pointed out that we are just in a cycle of bigger hurricanes. http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2005/s2540.htm
Oddly enough, the same evidence is used to "prove" that it is the result of global warming.

To me this argument reminds me of the argument over the Sphinx in Egypt. Geologists look at the Sphinx and say the erosion was caused by rain and floods which dates it at X number of years. Egytologists don't like that. Nobody tells them their business of Egyptology. The sphinx can't be as old as it is, because it doesn't fit their research. The erosion to the Sphinx was caused by wind and sand, not by rain and floods. What would Geologists know about Egyptology?

I'm not saying I know what is right. But I know the planet is huge and regulates itself and has been very hot and very cold. Man has been on it for a very short time. For us to say with any certainty what is up is silly. For us to say that greenhouse gasses don't cause problems is silly. We need to learn about these things and make changes. The sooner the better. But I can not bring myself entirely buy into the nightmare stories being told. Not as long as regular science doesn't back up government science.

[Rush]

Initially I bought into Gore's presentation about global warming, but I've been exposed to enough skepticism about it, that I'm not taking Gore's presentation so easily. Unfortunately my graduate studies keep me busy researching other topics, so I don't have time to look much into this realm!

Somebody needs to set up a live debate between scientists in both camps. I'd be very interested to see such a debate in that it wouldn't feature Al Gore and other figure heads (on both sides) who aren't academically trained in the fields global warming covers. Most of the literature I've found has been posed by non-scientists who don't have the expertise a scientist would have. Unfortunately it is sometimes difficult to find opposition to such politcally charged debates since many skeptics do not want to face criticism or risk their careers.

This post has been edited by Rush: 02/26/07 3:04am

[UNDEAD 1]

the rest of the worlds scientists ,except china , have enough evidence and are taking steps to improve the problem ,not keep screaming its not me!! i don't know about you guys but i have a child and i would like him to grow up in an environment the same way i did. i have one question i always ask when this debate comes up, what if they are wrong???????????????? then what, it'll be too late .its not just the fuel , its the total lack of carelessness.

lack of proper recycling -landfills are totally filled ,now garbage is being sent to other states and buried there.alot of it is burned and is toxic.

i think %98 of all of american rivers streams and waterways are contaminated with pesticides-that's right people were poisoning the land which runs off into the water ways.how can it be organic veggies when the soil is contaminated??

have you ever seen documents on water treatment plants? here's one for fort lauderdale,the treatment plant is about 40 years outdated driving with in a mile you can smell it.a friend of mine works at broward general and said they treat kids coming in from the beach with open wounds from polluted waters(not a lie) he refuses to go to the beach.they keep it quiet because it will hurt tourism.they take active surveys on the beach all year long.cali,mexico,ny,boston do you think theirs are up to date?

the amount of trees being cut down probably doesn't have anything to do with the massive mudslides,tornados and weird weather all together etc.. its 2007 ,have we not found the means to make a wood substitute that's recyclable and doesn't burn???by the way , if anyone gets a chance ,Edward Norton narrated a documentary as to why the Cali red woods aren't growing back-fascinating movie.

we don't make these changes because it would cost people jobs and that will cost a politician a term.

question-is AL gore running for president??

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The 'debate' is over... any questioning of what is 'fact' is gone within scientific community. A few weeks ago even the UN issued a press release with part of the abstract below, which was almost laughable within the scientific community. This is generally accepted and no press release is required. But there it is.

UN http://unfccc.int/2860.php Full text.

"Against the background of the most conclusive scientific evidence to date that the warming of the climate system is unequivocal and accelerating" UNFCCC Executive Secretary, Feb 2, 2007.


This post has been edited by some_help: 02/26/07 12:58pm

[TheGrim]

If I may chime in here. The Word of God reveils the truth of the matter.



¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Malachi 4:1