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What about the shotguns
What do you think about the shotguns
Remove them, they ruin the game. [ 9 ] ** [25.00%]
Keep the shotguns the way they are. [ 9 ] ** [25.00%]
Use a mod to weaken them so they won't be overused. [ 18 ] ** [50.00%]
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Druid
post 11/13/05 4:46am
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well what bargod says here is wrong, the PPS-43 isnt a PPScH-41

I'm probaly point fucking ere but who cares. I got time to kill...



The PPSch-41 (Pistolet Pulemjot Schpagina model of 1941 = Shpagin submachinegun) was one of major infantry weapons of the Soviet troops during the World war 2. Total number of PPSch's manufactured during WW2 estimates to more than 6 millions. The gun became one of the symbols of the Great Patriotic War. Retired from Soviet Army service soon after the WW2, the PPSH was widely exported to some pro-Soviet countries arount the world, including Vietnam and many African countries.

The PPSch-41 was designed as a cheap and simple but effective war-time weapon. It featured simple blowback operated action, fired from open bolt. The striker was permanently fixed in the bolt face. PPSch-41 was a select-fire firearm, with fire selector switch located inside the triggerguard, ahead of trigger. The safety was integrated into the charging handle and locked the bolt in forward or rearward position. The receiver and the barrel shroud was made from stamped steel. The front part of the barrel shroud extends beyound the muzzle and acts as a muzzle brake / muzzle flip compensator. Early PPSch-41's were issued with drum magazines with capacity of 71 round, similar to ones used in PPD-40.
Such high capacity increased the firepower but the magazines were too slow to refill and not too reliable, so in 1942 a curved box magazine was developed. This magazine held 35 rounds and was much more comfortable to carry in pouches. Early magazines were made from .5 mm sheet steel and were somewhat unreliable. Later magazines were made from 1 mm steel and were completely satisfactory.
Usually, infantrymen carry one drum in the gun and some box magazines in the pouches or pockets.


Early guns featured elevation-ajustable rear sights, later ones flip-type "L"-shaped rear sights marked for 100 and 200 meters range.

All PPSch-41s featured hardwood stocks. The main advantage of the PPSch-41 was bigger effective range (when compared to both Allies and Axis submachineguns of that era). It also was accurate enough and reliable. The main drawbacks were: heavy weight, lenght (too big for trench combat or for mobile operations) and the fact that the gun was sometimes prone (especially when weared enough) to unintended fire when dropped.





The PPS-43 (Pistolet-Pulemet Sudaeva, model of 1943 = Sudaev SMG) was born as an answer to the need in more compact and mobile weapon, than PPSch-41, then in use by Soviet Army. PPSch was too big and too heavy to be used by tank crews and mobile recon groups and paratroopers, so Army issued an request for new, more compact SMG. Sudaev initially designed new SMG in 1942, and it was adopted under the designation of PPS-42, and then refined the design in 1943, thus final model was marked as PPS-43. This SMG was manufactured in smaller than PPSch-41, quantities (ca. 500.000 manufactured at all) and sometimes is referred as a best SMG of World War 2. After WW2, it was widely exported to pro-Soviet regimes around the world and widely copied.

Technically, the PPS is a fully automatic weapon, based on simple blowback principle, and is fired from the open bolt. The gun is fired in full auto only. The safety is located in the triggerguard (somewhat like the M1 Garand). The receiver and barrel shroud is made from stamped steel. Rear sight is L-shaped flip type and is marked for 100 and 200 meters distance, front sight is fixed blade type. The barrel is equipped with simple muzzle brake. The folding stock is made from steel and folds under the receiver. PPS uses PPSch-41-type box magazines. Drum type magazines cannot be used.



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Druid   What about the shotguns   11/13/05 4:46am
Bargod   As much as I hate them, I don't want to change...   11/13/05 5:27am
ScarFace   Definitely tweak them.   11/13/05 6:49pm
|$aucy|   Definitely tweak them. I agree.   11/14/05 3:34pm
Druid   Did all the shotgun users move to a different serv...   11/26/05 11:11pm
Ice_Cold   yesterday afternoon the shotgun use was out of con...   11/27/05 12:29pm
m00sekill   yesterday afternoon the shotgun use was out of co...   11/27/05 1:21pm
Leadmagnet   haven't played it yet, but i found shotguns an...   11/27/05 1:13pm
Undertow   haven't played it yet, but i found shotguns a...   11/27/05 3:45pm
BlackPlague   Yea, i walk in a building and someone instantly bl...   11/27/05 3:51pm
<<753Shadow>>   Yes guys i have played today nearly 10 rounds and...   11/27/05 6:14pm
Druid   How does a 10% reduction in damage & range sou...   11/27/05 7:54pm
Ice_Cold   i would go as much as 15% reducton in damage and 2...   11/27/05 8:04pm
WiseGuy   Shotguns are the p00nage in everygame possible.   11/28/05 12:49am
<<753Shadow>>   Druid sorry to say this again i just have to stop ...   11/28/05 8:14am
BlackPlague   Some of Shadow's most longest posts, and that ...   11/28/05 8:18am
Druid   As a starting point, Range has been reduced by 10%...   11/28/05 1:03pm
William Wallace   As a starting point, Range has been reduced by 10...   12/10/05 3:50pm
XYZ Factor   Thanks...I too agree that they are way overpowered...   11/28/05 3:20pm
BlackPlague   Just realized they're not overpowered, as Drui...   11/28/05 6:35pm
m00sekill   Just realized they're not overpowered, as Dru...   11/28/05 7:01pm
Zaitsev   You guys should limit weapons period....I dont kno...   11/30/05 7:20am
BlackPlague   That's true, i've seen some servers with t...   11/30/05 8:12am
Bargod   I want it out entirely. I think it would help the...   12/11/05 4:49am
<<753Shadow>>   I agree with u guys. B)   12/11/05 5:20am
Leadmagnet   Got COD2; played it; shotguns really do SUCK. El A...   12/11/05 6:42am
William Wallace   So who makes final decision to get um out of the g...   12/11/05 2:33pm
BlackPlague   Don't no, but take em out, anytime i get spray...   12/12/05 8:34am
Druid   As a test for a few ays the shottie is removed.   12/12/05 2:43pm
440Cuda   As a test for a few [b][color=#ff0000]ays the sho...   12/12/05 3:33pm
<<753Shadow>>   Thank you Druid is very nice we had people thank u...   12/12/05 5:19pm
BlackPlague   LOL, Cuda... THANKS DRUID!!   12/12/05 6:37pm
Leadmagnet   No shotguns is a beautiful sight....and listening ...   12/13/05 8:28am
Undertow   now we just need to increase the Thompson's a...   12/13/05 2:08pm
Bargod   There are maps that offer both types of ppsh, clip...   12/13/05 2:11pm
FeezyWeezy   well what bargod says here is wrong, the PPS-43 is...   04/19/06 9:08am


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