Spawn killing Options

[GatlinGun]

I know that {MOB} has no rules concerning spawn killing but I think something should be considered to ease this rule just a little. I am an avid UO player and play on {MOB} servers daily and have for some time now. I have always enjoyed the game with many {MOB} members and visitors alike. It is always a good tactic to sneak behind enemy lines and take them out but my concern is the ones who sit in a tank and constantly kill every single spawning player. Today it irked me so much that I actually called the spawn killer a fag. Considering that I am the founder of my clan and in no way condone this sort of behavior, I appologize to the person I offended. But, mass spawn killing is considered cheating on most servers and is clearly a sign of lack of skill. Im talking the skill it takes to actually war in the field like a normal player would. We also allowed spawn killing on our UO server not so long ago. Our server population was extremely high and now it dropped to almost nobody due to the fact of allowing spawn killing. I have also seen this happen to a few other popular UO servers. Having a sniper take out the enemy is one thing but when you have 2 or 3 tanks taking out every single spawner is just, well, rediculous. Like I said, our server population fell 90% when we allowed spawn killing. Just something to think about. <>TE<>GatlinGun - Team TerminalEclipse.

[GatlinGun]

Maybe your not seeing my point. Being in a tank and taking out every spawner is in no way a sign of skill. To me it is a sign of weakness. Plus, there is no skill involved to get out of being killed at spawn when you are taken out before you even spawn. Oh yea, I know its just a game.

[ScrapyardBob]

Maybe your not seeing my point. Being in a tank and taking out every spawner is in no way a sign of skill. To me it is a sign of weakness. Plus, there is no skill involved to get out of being killed at spawn when you are taken out before you even spawn. Oh yea, I know its just a game.

Nope, it's the sign of a poorly designed map. Nothing to do with skill or no-skill (other then the map designer's skill level).

A good map designer lays out the spawn locations so that a single player cannot spawn-kill players as soon as they spawn.

Examples:

- German spawn shed in the tank park on Barbarossa. 4+ closely spaced spawn points with no cover where a tank can just park in the corner of the tank park and kill spawners almost as soon as they spawn. Usually takes players multiple (half a dozen) deaths before they can manage to drive the spawn killer out.

- German spawn house on Smolensk. All 4 spawn points in the same building, with a pak40 that allows Russians to endlessly toss shells into the spawn house.

- American spawn house on mp_foy. Only one exit from the spawn house. (Rhine Valley suffered this issue too until they redesigned the houses to have back exits.)

Counter-Example:

When I designed Tuchola Forest's spawn areas, I paid close attention to how easy it was to stop a spawn killer. There are never more then 2 spawn points in the same location and the spawn points are spread in a ring-formation. You never spawn in the open, you always spawn near anti-tank ammo, and you can almost always peek out to get a view of what is going on before leaving cover.