POLAR CAPS MELTING Options

[UNDEAD 1]

THIS IS ALARMING!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060915/sc_nm/...ent_arctic_dc_1

[CommanderChoth]

Yay! A debate!

Global warming, now that's a tough one.

I am going to agree with Hamma on this one. It is a problem, a big one. I am actually giving a speech on this for a class next week (it's a informative speech, not a persuasive one), so as I come across more information (for both sides), I'll keep those interested posted.

If you look back say 10 yrs maybe a few more these same scientists were screaming that we are headed into the next ice age. It was all over Time magazine. Specials on 60 mins the whole nine yards. Given enough time and a few dollars thrown my way I can probably find some scientist to agree that the moon is in fact made of cheese. Which would be awesome as I LOVE CHEESE!!!! Either way I can't do squat about it. You can't do squat about it. So why should we care or argue about it?

Junkie

Now junkie, you don't mean that . They say we are headed into an ice age, that could be true, and the cause of this will be, anyone, anyone? GLOBAL WARMING!
Trust me it makes sense. Let's go on a journey.
I took a weather and climate class that covered this, and I have first hand experience with these climate models. CO2 creates more CO2 in a sense. The higher our green house gas levels are, the greater the increase of global temperatures. The result of this is higher plant activity, more plant activity results in greater CO2 levels (GO AHEAD, say it, I dare you). This reduces the atmospheric transmissivity. Haze, smog, that stuff. A reduction of transmissivity of nearly 2-3% can drop global temperatures 5-10 degrees (volcanoes, case in point). You know what's going to amp up these temperatures even more? Melting of polar ice caps. This exposes the actual rock underneath the poles, (like antartica), rock has much lower albedo (reflectivity) than ice or snow. The hotter it gets, the colder it will be!
Luckily the earth can recover, always will. Equilibrium! It survived a giant meteor, it can survive human activity. The problem is, WE can't survive it. So don't be tricked by people who say that the Earth will recover. It will, but the question is will we all still be alive?

Hubris is a tragic downfall there Druid, you gotta find a little irony in your statement .

I don't agree at all.
There has been just as much scientific evidence against the idea of global warming as their has been for.
One major difference is the media has grossly overplayed the whole global warming issue.
Climate change is a cyclic as the seasons

The fact of the matter is that St.Helen's did have dramatic climatic effects. Temperature drops, for example, were seen globally. 3-4 degrees isn't much, and we may not feel the effects of global warming in our life time. Still, the evidence that supports the theory is compelling enough to suggest that this simply isn't cyclical climate change (there are several "change over time" charts that will compell you to think otherwise, unfortunately, I saw them in a class, and don't remember the source).

I also don't put much emphasis on peer review. Just because someone can find other like minded people, doesn't make him right, which is exactly all peer review really is. I could do a little research and find 100's of failed scientific hypostases that passed peer review but were later proved to be completely wrong.

Peer review makes the rocking world go 'round. I put every emphasis on peer review. These theories you speak of were later found wrong because of peer review. Per 100 failed cases, there thousands of successful ones. How else would you suggest the scientific community prove/disprove theories?

Either way I can't do squat about it. You can't do squat about it. So why should we care or argue about it?

I'm a planeteer, you can be one too! There's a shit ton you can do. Buy a hybrid, walk or bike, turn off the lights when you leave a room, keep your thermostat at reasonable level. Recycle.

Most of all, don't support a president who has such extensive ties in the oil industry (just saying). But that's another day, huh?

This post has been edited by CommanderChoth: 09/20/06 9:58am