Truth or Dare, Election Ramifications Options

[Hellfighter]

As you know I'm not pro-Bush on his foreign policies... now that they've got some political clout, will the Dems now ante up and tell us how their influential input will reset the future course in Iraq? I'm thinking not. What are your solutions?

My idea>>> in 1 year US troops should pull out of Baghdad area- then let the Iraqi security forces get a taste for hardcore pulling of their weight. US troops can then deploy along the borders while Iraqi's get school of hard knocks training in large operations by themselves in that area of Iraq. With victories will come confidence. Iraqi citizens will also be getting what most of them hypothesize- US troops out supposedly means a de-escalation of terrorist attacks. As for secterian violence, I don't think US troops can stay in Iraq forever to police that. Sooner or later Iraqis have to sort that out by themselves alone.

[Genocide Junkie]

Do you honestly think we had an "exit" strategy for WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc? Think again. We are STILL IN ALL OF THOSE COUNTRIES!!!!! Do you realize that? It never ends. You think that because we signed a treaty with Germany and the war was "over" that all the guys that were against us just stopped? It amazes me that people think it's like writing a book. Part one drop bombs. Part two use tanks. Part three shake hands. Part four live happily ever after. Do you remember our own history? How long did it take to rid ourselves of tyranny and sort out for ourselves how we would live together? Think about it. How many people died from us killing each other? To think that we could demolish a country and rebuild it completely with a self sustaining "free" government in a matter of a few years is mindless. The republicans from day ONE said it would be hard and take time. And Nothing if you look at unemployment, the stock market, and inflation since Bush has been in office you will see that in fact the economy IS DOING WELL. We keep hearing from the left wing press that a fall is coming a fall is coming.... it's been that way for 3 yrs now. Still hasn't happened.

Junkie

[Hellfighter]

.....Part four live happily ever after. Do you remember our own history? How long did it take to rid ourselves of tyranny and sort out for ourselves how we would live together? Think about it. How many people died from us killing each other? To think that we could demolish a country and rebuild it completely with a self sustaining "free" government in a matter of a few years is mindless.......
Junkie

Well now you're saying repubs are self-admitted bald-faced liars. I don't think so- the neo-cons, yes [now they've been rightfully given the royal boot with 'we the people' voting in the latest election results]. But many repubs are now coming around to the fact that 'staying the course in Iraq needs a deadline> troops serving, maimed, and dying there deserve some clue of an end to the madness.
From day 1 Bush and coy. said as soon as Iraqis wanted US troops out of Iraq- they would leave- of course that melded into 'stay the course', then 'cutting and running are for unpatriotic traitors'.

Now you list a bunch of countries 'needing' the continued presence of US troops for security.
You omit one important fact ;
US troops can patrol the streets and countryside of those nations without IEDs taking them out at a rate of 100 a month.... In those countries you listed there is no insurgency, nor a fire being kindled for a civil war, nor significant bodies of militia that are 'untouchable' for fear of sparking a civil war. Most Iraqis respectfully want to see the US presence diminishing soon.... The war was brought to a halt in those nations.
Do you see a forsee-able end to the war just by 'staying the course'? The move into Iraq was about WMDs... now due to mangled takeover policies, the terrorists opened up a 2nd Front- a diversionary front-> the Talibans are strengthening to retake Afghanistan- maybe because the US news networks stopped covering that theater of war, it misguidingly appears hunky-dory and all is well in Afghanistan- but its not.
You admit too that the US determined its own fate to become one powerful united nation. Keeping the US troops there has now become a policing job- time to let the Iraqis start learning how to police themselves and start determining their fate- see if they can become one nation or figure out if it has to be beyond the British defined maplines of what we now call Iraq. What's wrong with a gradual withdrawal and letting Iraqis start tending to their own garden.

None of it's working out- it started with Rumsfeld grinning after Bahgdad fell- remarking 'I don't see any rioting!' - then it was, take Fallujah and we'll break the insurgency - after[or before] it was force the belligerent militia clerics to back down and violence will decrease.... then beef up security along the borders. None of it has worked for 3 years.... all it's meant so far is 'stay the staus quo'.

You'll see that gradual withdrawal-even in the heat of battle- is the only option- because the endless attrition of US troops isn't worth a no-goal future.




This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 11/09/06 5:25pm