You cant kill a feeling Options

[Noodles]

Well we call it a war on terror, but it will never end. terror is a feeling people recieve therefore it wont go away so i believe this is a pointless war, or as I like to call it Vietnam 2. there have been more deaths over there since weve been there. there wouldve been way less if we just kept to our selves. countries need to help themselves before they can help others.

[Genocide Junkie]

I don't know exactly what the war is about anymore. I'm not sure I ever did. However, I was pointing out that there is more to the French story than that they just disagreed on if Iraq had weapons or not. I think it was probably as much that they had their had in the cookie jar. The leader or ex leader now of the the UN was guilty as can be in the same scandal. Think he wanted us to go to Iraq? What you may or may not have read is that the UN had to turn over the oil for food program to the coalition going into Iraq. Think mr. UN leader and his French, German, and Russian buddies wanted that? No way, not when his pockets were getting lined. There is also a strong sentiment in the UN that because there is no other Super Power they all have to band together to oppose the US. I don't pretend to know what the right answer is. I think it's a complicated situation and simply running away helps no one. I'm not naive enough to think the US gets everything right. But to think that everything was peachy and that money from Iraqi oil was going for food, peace, and education is laughable. Sadam was not going to change his stripes. He was defiant until the very end. If he did not have those weapons it was a matter of time until he did and the UN had proven over and over again they would not enforce anything. I don't think that the US has executed everything in the war the best in the world but do you think if WWII was broadcast on CNN 24/7 that we would have been able to win? I highly doubt it. Now they are forced to fight with their hands tied. As always what I say doesnt matter one bit. I don't have any money to be elected. So I'll keep voting for the person who will cost me the least money and forget the rest....

Junkie

[Hellfighter]

I don't know exactly what the war is about anymore. I'm not sure I ever did. However, I was pointing out that there is more to the French story than that they just disagreed on if Iraq had weapons or not. I think it was probably as much that they had their had in the cookie jar. The leader or ex leader now of the the UN was guilty as can be in the same scandal. Think he wanted us to go to Iraq? What you may or may not have read is that the UN had to turn over the oil for food program to the coalition going into Iraq. Think mr. UN leader and his French, German, and Russian buddies wanted that? No way, not when his pockets were getting lined. There is also a strong sentiment in the UN that because there is no other Super Power they all have to band together to oppose the US. I don't pretend to know what the right answer is. I think it's a complicated situation and simply running away helps no one. I'm not naive enough to think the US gets everything right. But to think that everything was peachy and that money from Iraqi oil was going for food, peace, and education is laughable. Sadam was not going to change his stripes. He was defiant until the very end. If he did not have those weapons it was a matter of time until he did and the UN had proven over and over again they would not enforce anything. I don't think that the US has executed everything in the war the best in the world but do you think if WWII was broadcast on CNN 24/7 that we would have been able to win? I highly doubt it. Now they are forced to fight with their hands tied. As always what I say doesnt matter one bit. I don't have any money to be elected. So I'll keep voting for the person who will cost me the least money and forget the rest....

Junkie

Hey Junkie buddy I don't dispute the French were calculating with the Sadam episode at all, I agree with you I'm just saying they have 2000 troops in Afghanistan and not fighting for the Taliban.

I was hoping the popular republican sentiment relating to WW2 and media to current events wouldn't have been brought up - but I had a feeling. In my opinion there's no comparison. It was the resolve of the people of the free world that won that war. The overwhelming majority of them saw Fascism on their doorsteps and ready to obliterate their democratic lifestyles as they knew it. Politicians, the media, people of different faiths and political beliefs were banded together knowing with a certainty what was coming.

The Allies were sustaining heavy casualties and prisoner losses early on in the war; tht changed nothing about continuing the war against the Fascists. People knew about the losses via the media and through personal loss- despite the tragic events the people knew they needed to sacrifice to stay free. The media back then openly criticized politicians and Generals when snafus were made. Our society is blessed by having an openly critical atmosphere. Isn't that what seperates us from N.Korea, Iran and other repressive states? Some of us need to acknowledge what we think are our weaknesses are actually our strengths-even cnn and 'balcony reporters in Iraq' as some repubs in the past quipped. And the idea liberals are chummy with the 'bad guys' makes no sense at all. To the bad guys the liberals are the worst heathens and biggest threat to their ideals of conformity. I'm sure the libs would be first on the bad guys 'hitlist' of who to make disappear wherever they take over.


So in my opinion that republican 'idea' the media can turn freedom loving people into squeamish cowards is a cheapshot that fools only themselves into thinking others won't stand up for themselves when push really comes to shove.

This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 12/27/06 9:24am