You cant kill a feeling Options

[Noodles]

Well we call it a war on terror, but it will never end. terror is a feeling people recieve therefore it wont go away so i believe this is a pointless war, or as I like to call it Vietnam 2. there have been more deaths over there since weve been there. there wouldve been way less if we just kept to our selves. countries need to help themselves before they can help others.

[Cero]

stupid me, i like being on the other side and trying to kill hamma, bit of a challenge. Hellfighter, im not trying to argue with you, you make very good points and I understand what your trying to say. Maybe i missled you. no, not all iraq's are bad, not all are good, and that goes for every country. I read another post where you were talking about the terrorist and getting them out, alqida(can't spell) thats what im talking about. im not in the military, i play way too much video games, do i wish for world peace, sure, and i also wish for a million bucks. Peace isn't going to happen until either everone is killed or armageddon witch we probably won't see in a million years. Yea, war sucks, especially when we have soldiers coming home in body bags, but that is war if im not misstaken. Civil war, family members killing family members, i just wonder if it was talked about back then like war is today(granted different time frame). In all seriousness, what are you thought on them hanging Sadam today, i would be interested to read your thoughts on it.

[Hellfighter]

stupid me, i like being on the other side and trying to kill hamma, bit of a challenge. Hellfighter, im not trying to argue with you, you make very good points and I understand what your trying to say. Maybe i missled you. no, not all iraq's are bad, not all are good, and that goes for every country. I read another post where you were talking about the terrorist and getting them out, alqida(can't spell) thats what im talking about. im not in the military, i play way too much video games, do i wish for world peace, sure, and i also wish for a million bucks. Peace isn't going to happen until either everone is killed or armageddon witch we probably won't see in a million years. Yea, war sucks, especially when we have soldiers coming home in body bags, but that is war if im not misstaken. Civil war, family members killing family members, i just wonder if it was talked about back then like war is today(granted different time frame). In all seriousness, what are you thought on them hanging Sadam today, i would be interested to read your thoughts on it.

Well reading my every other post you know I have a "no prisoners" attitude to terrorists. My only issue is the lashing out at people who have zilch to do with terrorists- and lashing out at people who have done no harm to those lashing out- no I'm not talking about those in war mistakenly tragically caught in the midst of bombs striking a military target as lashing out. Like I said my kind Iraqi friends have equally kind family members fretting if the next day will be their last. 'Kill them all' is genocide... look at pics of piles of bodies/mass graves from genocides in Rwanda, Balkans, Cambodia, Holocaust... I can only believe those events could only happen with a detached 'kill them all' de-humanized mentality.

I'm not trying to argue with you too either cero or make spiteful personal attacks since I think you said your remark out of frustration perhaps, and not out of a sincere wish that should actually happen. But I like to interject whenever I hear anyone make a comment like that about any group either online, or in real life.

Regarding Saddam hanging... I've seen many people being really hanged on tv/online, some 'civilised' executions and others ruthless. Most made me naturally repulsed but a few like the Nuremberg hangings of Nazi War criminals didn't stir an ounce of pity from me. With Saddam, initially I reflected on the chaotic scene and a gang of informally burly figures sending him to his drop. Initially the scene looked pathetic and wretched for a 70 year old to end his days. But I balanced that by thoughts of seeing on tv the mass executions by Saddam of his former generals, civilians, peasants... they too had a wretched end- often with onlookers forced to applaud after! So I multiply those scenes by over 300,000 - the # of Iraqi lives he and his sons directly had a hand in grinningly ordered being put to death. And none of them had the luxury of a trial- not to mention their only crime was being Shiite, kurd, or someone considered a threat to the State and their executions/murders were instant- no time to say goodbye to loved ones.

What really shook me out of the sombreness of the hanging happened recently. We learned about the secretive phone movies taken of the execution and the taunts before the drop. While that repulsed many in the world to me, one taunt clarified the whole thing for me. I'll quote the scene

In the latest video footage of the execution, apparently captured on a mobile phone and now spreading across the Internet, Shiite witnesses to Saddam's hanging can be heard chanting "Moqtada, Moqtada, Moqtada!

The reference is to Moqtada al-Sadr, a radical Shiite cleric whose uncle Mohammed Bakr Sadr was murdered by Saddam's agents, and who has risen to prominence since Saddam's fall as a politician and militia leader.

One of the execution party calls: "Long live Mohammed Bakr Sadr!"

[I think the cleric's sister was murdered at the same time too] note I have no symphathy for the nephew who is currently acting like a warlord, but I'm focusing more on the uncle who was brutally murdered.

With that I felt justice was served... Saddam dropping down not with cocky last thoughts, but thinking of how he was getting a fitting end for at least one person of his hundreds of thousands of victims who he likely laughed at about murdering. So what do I think-> Justice served with a side dish of deserved belittling by those he once terrorised.

This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 01/03/07 8:24pm