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Someone said that steroids had ruined baseball (Pez I think) if not for steroids most of us would have quit watching baseball altogether after the 1994 strike. It was the HR chase that drew most of us back to watching baseball. So say what you want but it actually SAVED baseball for a time. And to say Barry Bonds was not a home run hitter is a joke. He routinely hit 30+ HR's and even joined the 40-40 club before he hit the roids in 98. I argue that had he hit 53 HR's instead of 73 we wouldn't be placing him under the finest of microscopes. I'm not saying that he didn't use Roids but to say his numbers jumped up out of sight isn't true. He had ONE year where he went nuts and the other three around it were VERY good years for him but not out of line with the other seasons he had pre juice.

I believe I also saw an interview where Mr. Squeaky Clean Aaron used amphetimines when he played as well. Were they illegal at the time? No. Did they give him an advantage Bond's doesn't have? Yes. To me everything is relative. Did Bond's cheat? I say no as baseball didn't even bother to have rules against it or test for it. It is what it is but don't throw stones at him for doing what guys of other era's did as well. Don't forget Bond's won THREE MVP awards before he got to San Fran. Do you know how many other players have ever won THREE? I'll help you out. None. Zilch. Nada. He was far more than just a very good player. He was possibly the best baseball player we've ever seen BEFORE he hit the roids.... I don't care for him either but to see him be drilled like he has when he's one of probably thousands who did it as well is nuts to me....


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Someone said that steroids had ruined baseball (Pez I think) if not for steroids most of us would have quit watching baseball altogether after the 1994 strike. It was the HR chase that drew most of us back to watching baseball. So say what you want but it actually SAVED baseball for a time. And to say Barry Bonds was not a home run hitter is a joke. He routinely hit 30+ HR's and even joined the 40-40 club before he hit the roids in 98. I argue that had he hit 53 HR's instead of 73 we wouldn't be placing him under the finest of microscopes. I'm not saying that he didn't use Roids but to say his numbers jumped up out of sight isn't true. He had ONE year where he went nuts and the other three around it were VERY good years for him but not out of line with the other seasons he had pre juice.

I believe I also saw an interview where Mr. Squeaky Clean Aaron used amphetimines when he played as well. Were they illegal at the time? No. Did they give him an advantage Bond's doesn't have? Yes. To me everything is relative. Did Bond's cheat? I say no as baseball didn't even bother to have rules against it or test for it. It is what it is but don't throw stones at him for doing what guys of other era's did as well. Don't forget Bond's won THREE MVP awards before he got to San Fran. Do you know how many other players have ever won THREE? I'll help you out. None. Zilch. Nada. He was far more than just a very good player. He was possibly the best baseball player we've ever seen BEFORE he hit the roids.... I don't care for him either but to see him be drilled like he has when he's one of probably thousands who did it as well is nuts to me....



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and pez, heres a quote from that article..."Celebrations broke out throughout AT&T Park and thousands of flashbulbs went off as Bonds took his ceremonial trip around the bases, his arms raised in a jubilant gesture of triumph" no matter how much you hate the guy the people still cheer, and fight like Mike Vick's dogs for the baseball. everyone talks about what they would have done with the ball if they caught it. No matter how much you argue now you can't deny that people were excited to see it happen.


And spec! come on man, fellow baseball player, you know how hard it is to hit a home run, even with steriods doing it 700+ times is damn amazing no matter how you look at it.


and on a personal note I think that 2 of the greatest (not saying the greatest overall) players were Ripken Jr. and Pete Rose


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pezking   Bonds   08/08/07 8:47am
UNDEAD 1   thought id post my opinion on bonds breaking the r...   08/08/07 10:09am
Barkmann   Well thats good he broke the record.....wow..... :...   08/08/07 3:15pm
landser   I still feel bad for the old guys like roger maris...   08/08/07 3:31pm
Nothing   I have got to say that I have no respect at all fo...   08/08/07 4:48pm
UNDEAD 1   theres no doubt he WAS on roids ,half the league w...   08/08/07 7:10pm
Barkmann   Well 135.00 isnt to bad for a baseball game, try ...   08/08/07 9:04pm
Cpt. Snot Rocket   MLB has known about rampant roid and drug use for ...   08/08/07 9:23pm
pezking   Have you guys noticed the editorials about Bonds b...   08/08/07 11:08pm
*Triggahappy13*   What people don't realize is that roids dont s...   08/09/07 12:19am
pezking   Yes, I agree that it still takes talent to hit the...   08/09/07 8:05am
UNDEAD 1   pez, he WAS on steroids ,theres no question what s...   08/09/07 8:10am
Nothing   What people don't realize is that [color=#CC0...   08/09/07 9:04am
UNDEAD 1   lol, nothing- i still to this day see strawberry a...   08/09/07 12:46pm
Nothing   I didnt say that he wasnt a good player before the...   08/09/07 12:52pm
UNDEAD 1   i think that was made about him ,lol.very similar.   08/09/07 12:57pm
pezking   Good analogy Nothing. If a team member was good, ...   08/09/07 1:25pm
colonelbounds   here's my 2 cents on Bonds...like Undead said,...   08/09/07 2:17pm
*Triggahappy13*   it was a good analogy nothing but there are someth...   08/09/07 2:24pm
blk96gt   it was a good analogy nothing but there are somet...   08/09/07 3:29pm
landser   :) BarryBon.jpg now I GOT PROOF   08/09/07 3:29pm
landser   now, I got proof!   08/09/07 3:42pm
*Triggahappy13*   lolz!   08/09/07 4:15pm
Shred and Burn   How many pitchers throwing to Barry were using ste...   08/09/07 4:34pm
UNDEAD 1   How many pitchers throwing to Barry were using st...   08/09/07 6:22pm
pezking   Maybe some pitchers, but is it fair when he's ...   08/09/07 4:41pm
*Triggahappy13*   a corked bat is gonna make the ball go further tha...   08/09/07 4:47pm
blk96gt   But corked bats don't help you decide what pit...   08/09/07 4:59pm
Nothing   Think about this for a min. Pitchers on Roids = f...   08/09/07 6:34pm
*Triggahappy13*   Where is our morals? Do we want to reward these...   08/09/07 9:13pm
UNDEAD 1   nononononononononono ! pitchers use roids %100...   08/09/07 6:45pm
flatliner   Mythbusters showed that corked bats are a psycolog...   08/09/07 10:56pm
Cpt. Snot Rocket   :withstupid: Thanks F :2_thumbs_up_-_animated: lat...   08/09/07 10:59pm
Genocide Junkie   Someone said that steroids had ruined baseball (Pe...   08/10/07 2:48am
*Triggahappy13*   Someone said that steroids had ruined baseball (P...   08/11/07 12:51am
pezking   To be honest, it wasn't that HR chase that dre...   08/10/07 8:32am
UNDEAD 1   To be honest, it wasn't that HR chase that dr...   08/10/07 10:56am
Nothing   I dont care that they have attracted more fans bec...   08/10/07 8:38am
pezking   [size=5]Destruction Of National Pastime Given Two-...   08/10/07 8:57am
Spectre   In the gaming community he would be a hacker that ...   08/10/07 9:52am
Shred and Burn   Curt Schilling has an Aimbot.   08/10/07 10:36am
Cpt. Snot Rocket   :hysterical: Curt Schilling has an Aimbot.   08/10/07 6:39pm
UNDEAD 1   Pete rose was the most dominating player of his ti...   08/11/07 9:12am
{CuF}crazycanuck   I just can not bring myself to respect a player th...   08/11/07 9:39am
*Triggahappy13*   pete rose should have been in the Hall of Fame reg...   08/11/07 6:30pm
pezking   They're already saying he's going to the H...   08/12/07 2:03am
*Triggahappy13*   They're already saying he's going to the ...   08/12/07 11:17am
UNDEAD 1   betting in major league baseball is a big nono sin...   08/12/07 11:07am
pezking   I'm not saying that I agree with or condone be...   08/12/07 11:34am
flatliner   were they illegal, and what was the punishment for...   08/12/07 11:47am
Axel   Barry Bonds is BULL SHIT! His record is BULL S...   08/12/07 12:00pm
Shred and Burn   Bonds did not break any Major League rules, that I...   08/12/07 12:42pm
UNDEAD 1   your right shred,only hear say and rumors. no one ...   08/12/07 1:40pm
flatliner   DOnt forget, there are other members of the belove...   08/12/07 8:09pm
landser   What happens if Bonds is caught do they take away ...   08/12/07 8:36pm
UNDEAD 1   BUT THE WRITERS PICK THE HALL OF FAME CANDIDATES ,...   08/13/07 2:30am
Gen.Sam   Lol Steroids FTL! I dont believe he never used...   08/13/07 11:44am
Nothing   I think what Shred was getting at was that it was ...   08/13/07 4:21pm
flatliner   He got greedy. Bottom line. He really could have...   08/13/07 7:27pm
PFC Mustangman   :rolleyes: Well its hard to say if he did or didn...   10/21/07 3:26pm
UNDEAD 1   theres a steroid report coming out in nov ......su...   10/21/07 4:13pm


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