The war in Iraq, Justified? Options

[Kleerance]

I just wonder what you North Americans feel about the war in Iraq.

Do you think it's right? (why/why not?)

This war is expensive for US. How much are you willing to sacrifice from a domestic perspective (money and casualties) to win.

Other strong opinions...?

I am just curious.......

[Rommel]

[Capt. Andtennille]

LOL.



No War = No Freedom. The islomofascists have been attacking EVERYONE for centuries. George Bush finally had enough when they struck the Twin Towers. Something like 93% of the world's conflicts involve Muslims, but Rommel (sitting in Norway of all places) blames George Bush. When Norway gets into trouble I'll be sure to call my congressman and tell them to stay out of it.

[Rommel]

LOL.



When Norway gets into trouble I'll be sure to call my congressman and tell them to stay out of it.

I know you will, i dont think we will get in to trouble. LOL



This post has been edited by Rommel: 08/15/07 5:35pm

[Cpt. Snot Rocket]

When Norway gets into trouble I'll be sure to call my congressman and tell them to stay out of it.

I know you will, i dont think we will get in to trouble. LOL

Ummm. Excuse me. WWII? http://www.nuav.net/weserubung2.html



My point Rommel, is that you think Norway won't get into trouble. I pointed out the historical invasion by Germany. But apparantly this was not "trouble" for Norway and they needed no help from anyone.

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[size="3"]But if Norway does "get into trouble", whether you like it or not, the US, Britain and Canada will help. However, if the US is attacked by China or Russia or N. Korea or whomever, no American is going to assume that Norway would help us. I can garrantee that.


Note:
Norway - Iraq: 150 Troops withdawn 8/06

Norway - Afghanistan 580 current

1 killed several wounded.



Thank you for your service.







This post has been edited by Cpt. Snot Rocket: 08/17/07 11:35am

[Hellfighter]

When Norway gets into trouble I'll be sure to call my congressman and tell them to stay out of it.

I know you will, i dont think we will get in to trouble. LOL

Ummm. Excuse me. WWII? http://www.nuav.net/weserubung2.html



My point Rommel, is that you think Norway won't get into trouble. I pointed out the historical invasion by Germany. But apparantly this was not "trouble" for Norway and they needed no help from anyone.

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[size="3"]But if Norway does "get into trouble", whether you like it or not, the US, Britain and Canada will help. However, if the US is attacked by China or Russia or N. Korea or whomever, no American is going to assume that Norway would help us. I can garrantee that.

Also Mr.Rocket;
- in addition to Rommel's facts too;
From what I remember Britain helped the Norwegian royal family escape;
[found these links]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/28/a1954028.shtml
http://www.kongehuset.no/c28571/artikkel/vis.html?tid=28678

and took out Norwegian 'quisling' symphathizers in their commando raids-
[ok I searched and did find the facts after all]
http://www.combinedops.com/Lofoten_Islands_Raid.htm

the British Narvik ['41'?]commando raid in particular made a huge contribution to Hitler relocating a large number of Nazi forces on that 'quie' Front.
http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignsNorway.htm

I think we shouldn't assume to be speaking for an entire nation by saying no american out of 300 million souls! One portion may firmly believe who and who will not help, but regarding people assuming that would be an unclear figure to guess-timate. My point is you're making a generalized 'us vs. them' comment.

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I don't like war at all

On this we agree. I don't know anyone who likes war, it's just that somethimes the ramifications of not being willing to fight when necessary are much worse than the war itself.



I would hate to kill a burgular in my home, but I would do it in a second to keep them from harming my family. The John Stuart Mill quote in my sig sums up my feelings on this whole matter entirely.

What kind of "man" has nothing they consider worth fighting for?



If the islamofascists had been content to target Europe and the middle east, then the U.S. would probably have not gotten involved. When they came to our shores and attacked us here they got a bit more than they bargained for. Since they are only able to function with state support, George Bush made it very clear that countries harboring terrorists are no different than the terrorists themselves. If Norway (for example) were to decide that it's OK for terrorists to train there and make plans to attack the U.S., I would fully support attacking Norway. We had all the authority we needed to attack Iraq because of the dozens of UN resolutions they were violating from the first gulf war, thier involvement with the sponsorship of terrorism was just the spark.



BTW, after further consideration, I will still support helping Norway out should they ever need it. Sort of like an intervention with a friend whos' on drugs...

It wasn't just American citizens that died in the 9-11 attacks as you and other repub chums would want to twist the tragedy.
Maybe you personally don't know anyone who likes war, but don't you actually believe there are blood-thirsty morons in the world who crave war personally, or generals who seek to take it to the enemy out of spite, or maicious and/or naive leaders who sell an unnecessary war to their citizens? Really? ........

Didn't the 9-11 terrorists train in the USA?

Last time I checked, Norwegians are very level headed people as a whole... I'm sure they don't need your personal help - maybe because you have a 'high' attitude..

Last I checked the military is all volunteer and supports the mission in Iraq by huge margins.."

The last I checked they believe they can do the mission-rightfully so. But the numbers aren't there. They need double the strength or else they're just bouncing back and forth from military success to another but incapable of attaining the final victory. The similar example to this would be General Lee and Napoleon in his spectacular 1814 campaign-stunning victories , but a lost war and at at great cost to the soldiers.
From what I see many support coming back home if the Iraqis seem never to be able to sort out their political situation.

Surely you aren't claiming that President Bush is executing this war for "selfish purposes"? More likely is the war on our trooops and on George Bush that has been waged by the left for the selfish purpose of gaining power.

I think the majority of the world and of the 70% of Americans against Bush's Iraq policy have drawn that 'selfish purposes' conclusion.
I agree the Left will play politics with the War, as do repubs play politics for more power.... let's see; while Bin Laden was summoning his foces in the Clinton era were Repubs pushing Clinton to be more aggressive going after al quaeda.... no- no they were hung up with mind and soul for months on impeaching him in the Monica saga.

It undermines nothing. The war wasn't "built on the fear of WMD's". WMDs were only one of the many reasons we went into Iraq.......the least they could do it STFU and let those better than themselves protect them.

Again on the high horse.... What makes our system more worthy than the TalibUMs system in Afghanistan endorsed my Bin Laden and his fascist crew is that we have the right to vote and question the policies of those we vote for as leaders. Remove that right and shove STFU down peoples throats than we're in no better a state than that run by TalibUMs.

You were where when the case was made to go to war in Iraq was proliferated to the world by Bush as solely about WMDs - not about Saddams tyranny [which if you recall was going on 20 years ago when the US admin was chummy with him to help stave of Iran's influence in that area], and not about his threat in the area - he was boxed in north, south, east, and west. There was ONLY one reason given as the case to go to war.

Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.

That's been the Bush's/Cheney/Rove + their admins motto the last 5 years.... beginning to see the light?


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 08/17/07 12:46pm

[Rommel]

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Also Mr.Rocket;
- in addition to Rommel's facts too;
From what I remember Britain helped the Norwegian royal family escape;
[found these links]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/28/a1954028.shtml
http://www.kongehuset.no/c28571/artikkel/vis.html?tid=28678

and took out Norwegian 'quisling' symphathizers in their commando raids-
[ok I searched and did find the facts after all]
http://www.combinedops.com/Lofoten_Islands_Raid.htm


the British Narvik ['41'?]commando raid in particular made a huge contribution to Hitler relocating a large number of Nazi forces on that 'quie' Front.
http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignsNorway.htm

I think we shouldn't assume to be speaking for an entire nation by saying no american out of 300 million souls! One portion may firmly believe who and who will not help, but regarding people assuming that would be an unclear figure to guess-timate. My point is you're making a generalized 'us vs. them' comment.

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Yes, the Britain help the Norwegian King to escape from Norway (Tromso my hometown)

with HMS Glasgow.

Some war links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Bl%C3%BCcher (the day of invasion)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haakon_VII_of_Norway ( King Haakon of Norway)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Narvik (Battle of Narviik

http://home.online.no/~gestrom/history/n5t10frm.htm

http://www.hydro.com/en/about/history/1929_1945/1943_2.html

Tirpitz was wrecked by Britian bomber :

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/

http://www.emb-norway.ca/norwaycanada/litt...ory/history.htm







This post has been edited by Rommel: 08/17/07 1:47pm