Gun Control, A rational discussion Options

[Bargod]

I thought we'd take this discussion off the pic thread and give it it's own area. I'll start with the quote from Junkie:

Guns don't kill people. Crazy people kill people. With a gun, knife, or a wet noodle people are going to be violent with each other. I have several guns. Most of which have not been fired in years. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to shoot anyone but if someone chooses to come into my house uninvited they very well may get a double barreled chest full. Do I think the average person needs an assault rifle? Hell no. But should they be able to keep guns for defense and hunting purposes? For sure.

I have no bias towards one side or the other and find this an interesting topic. I know many people feel strongly one way or the other. I'm not one of those people.
Having said that, I would like to point out that "Crazy people" don't kill people. The majority of murders are between people who know each other. Guns make murder much easier to accomplish. So, gun owners are often the most successful murderers. This, of course, does not make all gun owners bad people. Anyone can lose their cool and when combined with alcohol can act out in violent ways. This is why it is illegal to carry guns into bars. If some drunk guys get into a fist fight nobody is likely to get killed. If somebody pulls a knife, things are going to get worse. I had two waiters who worked together get into a fight and one hit the other in the face with a pint glass. The glass just missed his carotid artery and his eye. What do you think would have happened if that guy had a gun? The guy who only has a scar on his face would have no face. The buddy of the guy that got hit in the face was close to breaking the attackers neck until I stepped in. What do you think would have happed to that guy after his friends head got blown off. Hell, in his drunken panic he could have shot at me just for being there. These two waiters drank together regularly. They got into a fight over who won the most pool games in the bar they were in before they came to mine. They were betting a nickel a game!!!

I won't say all gun owners are potential murderers, but you are less likely to kill somebody in a murderous rage if you don't have a gun. This is one of the reasons I don't want to have a gun in my house. I like to drink and sometimes I get very pissed off at people.

Guns do protect homeowners. Last year a little old lady living in public housing down the street from me shot and killed an intruder in her home. He was unarmed, but she didn't know that, and he wouldn't have needed a weapon to do bodily harm to her anyway. She's an example of the positive side of gun ownership.

I also don't buy into the "more guns means safer citizens" arguement. Australia has very strict gun control and it's murder rate has gone down. The reason? There are fewer murders involving guns. This means that what could have been a murder is more likely now just an assault.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2004/06/08/1127171.htm

I personally think Michael Moore is a self agrandizing ego maniac, but he made some decent points in Bowling for Columbine.
It is very unlikely that incident would have been possible if it weren't for the weapons they used. Even if they were limited to revolvers and single shot hunting rifles it would have been a different result.

I don't claim to have any answers, but I'd like to hear other oppinions on this.

[Bargod]

P I'm 500 feet from this. Unfortunately, that's how Dallas is. Nice neighborhood stacked on public housing. So, when my neighbors alarm goes off, I call 911, the cops come an hour later... not becuase they didn't respond, but becuase they went to where the suspects go, around th corner a ways... They don't come to the scene of the crime first, becuase they know that the perps are already back in their pub housing. So they head their first to see whats up.
Then they come back to the nice neighborhood to see what the people living there saw.

I'd love tro own a classic Colt '11 .45. When my father in law died I was offered one. I freaked out and said no. I regret that. I could have that classic fire arm and not have a bullet in the house and I'd have my bit of history that I consider that gun to be. I'd also love to have an M1. I want to take it to a range and fire it. And I want to store it at my house.
So I don't want to ban guns, but it has been made CLEAR to me that it is safer to not be around guns. There is just no way around it. I'm not saying F*^k our right to bear arms or anything else. I'm saying from my reading on this, and what my dad told me about guns, I'd rather not have guns around to deal with the problems (still not saying ban guns).
My dad didn't like guns because he grew up an orphan in Hell's Kitchen (true story) and lived on the streets (his mother died when he was 12) until he GADUATED FROM BROOKLYN TECH and joined the Air Force. He told me while growing up that he hated guns for many reasons. First, all his buddy's from the neighborhood that took up guns either became a cop, or went to jail for shooting at a cop. My dad didn't do that. He has many scars from his fist fights, but that's the point of his stories. He fought fist fights. He didn't go to jail. He didn't get killed. He survived to join the Air Force...
Where he was sent to outside San Antonio. He HATED Texas. It took me many years to get the truth, but he HATED Texas because every friggan Red Neck Texan in the bars around his base had guns in thier cars. This is not good for a Brawler from Manhatten. This is very BAD for a brawler from Manhatten. Anyway, my father has hated this stae ever since. He considers Texans to be the biggest Pussies in the world, because they won't put up their fists, they run for their guns.
Yes my dad is a bad ass, yes, Texans don't bother with fist fights. They will just shoot your stupid ass.