Climate change hits Mars!!, What? No humans on mars! How can this be? Options

[Cpt. Snot Rocket]

What is the coincidence that both Mars and the earth are showing an increase in surface temperature at the same time? Maybe it has something to do with nature, or solar waves from the sun? Maybe more research is needed here afterall?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece



Or maybe there is a Martian invasion fleet taking off for earth right now!

[Midnight Rambler]

The self published book you are citing was written by Robert w. Felix, this is from the Guardian in the U.K.,

"Is Felix a climatologist, a volcanologist or an oceanographer? Er, none of the above. His biography describes him as a "former architect". His website is so bonkers that I thought at first it was a spoof."

If you are interested in climate change why not go to the National Geograhic website instead of relying on nutjobs like this and Richard Hoagland, a guy that thinks NASA has a secret astronuat corp and that there is a mile high glass tower on the moon?
One of your friends, Dennis Prager also continually lies by telling his audience that the MIT science department doesn't believe in climate change. As it turns out there is one professor at MIT that doesn't believe it and he just happens to be the same "expert" Prager cites when he claims that second hand smoke is not harmful. BTW the profesor is not a climatologist and has no background in biology either.

[Blitz]

Midnight Rambler,

The point of me dropping all of the links was to show that the debate is still ongoing.

Is there such a thing as “Climate Change”? YES. If there was not the United States would still be in a tropical Climate, or there would be a large sea over most of the middle united states or Glaciers would still be covering the northern hemisphere and there would be no great lakes or Grand Canyon.

Is man responsible is the debatable question.
There is plenty of scientific data on both sides of the issue and very little fact. That is the main problem I have, everything is speculation and both sides have a political axe to grind.

It is no longer “Global Warming” because that no longer fits the template.
Of course in the early seventies it was all “Global Cooling” that was all the rage.
After a relative warm 40’s and 50’s the trend raced downward prompting articles such as the following.
http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,944914,00.html

http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialrep.../fireandice.asp

Hurricane Katrina was global warming and we should expect stronger storms with more frequency.
That was another “Henny Penny” prediction that was not completely researched but taken as fact by many.

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental...pundit-47110512

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accumulated_cyclone_energy
* I hate trusting wikipedia, but it’s a starting point to research it yourself.

Who can forget the famous picture of the polar bear on the last remaining ice chunk, you know the polar bears that are in peril, and all will be lost etc.etc.etc… you know this picture.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/galleries...in_page_id=1055


Well what do you know….

http://www.whoi.edu/beaufortgyre/dispatch2004/index2004.html

Read the log from the actual trip, and view the pictures (dispatch #2)… Also note that their trip was delayed because of “Heavy ice conditions”

The polar bears
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.htm...f868&k=5287


The point of all of this is, there are people on the environmental side of this movement that want to bludgeon everyone over the head with what they claim as facts that are conjecture.
They repeatedly only tell one side of the story, and when they are proved wrong just move on to the next point.
They also have an agenda, lets face it you will not receive grant monies with a report that says hey this is all part of nature can I have some more money to study it.

You also have environmentalists that are 100% against progress;
Do you want to not burn coal and save polluting CO2? How about nuclear, Europe has a lot higher % of their energy from nuclear than the US why can’t we?

Drill in ANWAR… Unthinkable, even though it was set aside for that exactly. Oh it will kill all the caribou, just like the Alaskan pipeline did.

Finally, I live on the shores of Lake Erie; I remember what it was like in the 70’s and early 80’s. I fish and am an outdoor enthusiast. I support good environmental causes and fight for clean air and water.

I think most people do not remember that Ohio and Pennsylvania were covered in Smog and people died.
http://lasp.colorado.edu/aerosol/ATOC3500/...in%20Donora.pdf

I just think that this current movement is more in restricting freedoms, political agendas and other such nonsense. If someone wants to have a rational discussion about new sources of energy, new CO2 scrubbers, implementing new technologies, or other items that will piece by piece make the planet cleaner, I’m all ears.
Knee jerk reactions that tax and regulate the hell out of everything are not solutions they are punishment.