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post 12/17/07 9:06pm
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im split on this one,something tells me our gov will take advantage of this down the road.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071218/pl_nm/...u9leqt1OD0E1vAI



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post 12/19/07 8:51am
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Surveillance to protect the US is not the sticking point in the debate over the legistative proposals. The "line in the sand" is whether or not to give retroactive immunity to telephone companies which have been participating in the government's warrantless wiretaps.

But, the phone companies already could not be held liable for their participation since surely they can show that the gov't gave them some written documentation compelling their cooperation.

The thing is, whatever that written documentation is, THAT is the problem. It would most probably have been drafted by AG Alberto Gonzales' office, and whatever it says that showed the warrantless wiretapping as legal, was not true.

And that's why the president is demanding that the phone companies be immune from lawsuits. Because when the phone companies produced their documentation for the warrantless wiretaps, it would be the administration and the justice department who would be in trouble.



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post 12/19/07 10:56am
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QUOTE(steel @ 12/19/07 8:51am) *

Surveillance to protect the US is not the sticking point in the debate over the legistative proposals. The "line in the sand" is whether or not to give retroactive immunity to telephone companies which have been participating in the government's warrantless wiretaps.

But, the phone companies already could not be held liable for their participation since surely they can show that the gov't gave them some written documentation compelling their cooperation.

The thing is, whatever that written documentation is, THAT is the problem. It would most probably have been drafted by AG Alberto Gonzales' office, and whatever it says that showed the warrantless wiretapping as legal, was not true.

And that's why the president is demanding that the phone companies be immune from lawsuits. Because when the phone companies produced their documentation for the warrantless wiretaps, it would be the administration and the justice department who would be in trouble.


Brilliant analysis Steel!

I'm really enjoying these discussions. Keep the coming everyone!
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UNDEAD 1   wondering everyones thoughts on this   12/17/07 9:06pm
Genocide Junkie   I hope so. Heaven forbid they hear me making dinne...   12/17/07 11:26pm
Hellfighter   Well my thoughts on this are easy . I've been ...   12/18/07 8:02am
T/A6Pak   Wow, that is scary.. Interception of telecommunica...   12/18/07 9:23am
Cpt. Snot Rocket   Must be nice being Canadian and not a target of in...   12/18/07 11:56am
Hellfighter   Must be nice being Canadian and not a target of i...   12/18/07 9:39pm
HammaTime   I remember when Echelon first came to light in the...   12/18/07 12:02pm
Midnight Rambler   Warrants are often too little too late when trying...   12/18/07 1:32pm
T/A6Pak   So they can listen to any conversation to determin...   12/18/07 5:49pm
Cpt. Snot Rocket   First, No offense to my Canadian friends!...   12/18/07 7:41pm
Midnight Rambler   Can't argue against your fantasies Capt.   12/18/07 7:49pm
Genocide Junkie   Can't argue against your fantasies Capt. It...   12/19/07 4:23am
Hellfighter   [quote name='Midnight Rambler' post='167355' date...   12/19/07 7:12am
Cpt. Snot Rocket   [color=#ffff99]" from Bush and cronies, Mr....   12/19/07 10:20am
Hellfighter   [quote name='Hellfighter' post='167387' date='12/...   12/19/07 11:08am
Cpt. Snot Rocket   [quote name='Hellfighter' post='167387' date='12...   12/19/07 12:14pm
Hellfighter   ....... I did not intentionally change any spelli...   12/19/07 12:22pm
Hellfighter   .................. Hellfighter - I am curious to ...   12/19/07 4:06pm
HammaTime   While I thought Clintons interaction with Miss Le...   12/19/07 10:53pm
Keystone Two-Eight   You know, the more I read arguments like this, the...   12/21/07 8:33am
Hellfighter   You know, the more I read arguments like this, th...   12/23/07 6:38am
T/A6Pak   Pearl Harbour was terrorism in my opinion.. many c...   12/18/07 11:59pm
Keystone Two-Eight   im split on this one, So am I, because on the ...   12/19/07 1:42am
UNDEAD 1   im split because for once i agree with snot but at...   12/19/07 3:43am
T/A6Pak   Accountability is no longer in place. When there ...   12/19/07 7:38am
steel   Surveillance to protect the US is not the sticking...   12/19/07 8:51am
HammaTime   Surveillance to protect the US is not the stickin...   12/19/07 10:56am
steel   Snot, did you read everything on that page of the ...   12/19/07 11:30am
Ghost Child   We know that terrorist plots have been foiled due ...   12/19/07 2:31pm
T/A6Pak   Capt. Snot Rocket, you are just agreeing to preven...   12/19/07 6:40pm
PFC Mustangman   Here's a little fuel to the fire.What about th...   12/19/07 10:37pm
PFC Mustangman   Well while there at it might as well satellite you...   12/21/07 6:37pm
PFC Mustangman   Uh Oh! found another one. Big Brother is no...   12/22/07 7:11pm
Hellfighter   Lol- and after all our constructive criticisms and...   01/14/08 7:12am


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