Climate change hits Mars!!, What? No humans on mars! How can this be? Options

[Cpt. Snot Rocket]

What is the coincidence that both Mars and the earth are showing an increase in surface temperature at the same time? Maybe it has something to do with nature, or solar waves from the sun? Maybe more research is needed here afterall?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece



Or maybe there is a Martian invasion fleet taking off for earth right now!

[Blitz]

Good Point Spectre.

When is enough....enough.
At what point, If I said we could be under the Kyoto Protocol by switching coal to Nuclear, would you be for it? There done problem solved, or is that not enough?

I've shown a ton of links and proven that the models that are primarily used are wrong.
it is a FACT that NASA admitted.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/26/us/26climate.html
Did this make national headlines that 4 of the hottest years on record are now on the 30's? NO

FACT: the 22 models used for the UN Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change (IPCC) that just concluded were tested against existing known data and proved to be wrong! They predicted warmer temps then actually happened. This was reserched by Royal Meteorological Society’s International Journal of Climatology, the U of Rochester, the U of ALabama, and the U of virginia.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200...w-nsi121107.php

What was it about "Peer" reviews. Lets see here we have a billion dollar industry, "predicting" that the temperature will rise sometime in the future, catastrophy will happen and you have people at the UN begging for BILLIONS of dollars in wealth transfer to help other countries. Gee I just can't see why they would not sign up for accepting data that shuts down their system.

Here are some peer reviewed data for you
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fus...3a-b35d0842fed8

Oh I love the quote " An abundance of new peer-reviewed studies, analyses, and data error discoveries in the last several months has prompted scientists to declare that fear of catastrophic man-made global warming “bites the dust” and the scientific underpinnings for alarm may be “falling apart.” The latest study to cast doubt on climate fears finds that even a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide would not have the previously predicted dire impacts on global temperatures. This new study is not unique, as a host of recent peer-reviewed studies have cast a chill on global warming fears."

http://gaia.tribe.net/thread/d4411609-931e...df-8ac21cce3135

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/archive/pr0310.html (Possiblly supporting the above case?)

http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/...DE2YTRlMjMxNzc=

http://www.ecd.bnl.gov/steve/pubs/HeatCapacity.pdf

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/908

Ummm so there you have it, should we continue to clean up the environment, fix our energy issues, make the world a cleaner place for kids and grandkids... Hell Yes!

Should we fly off the handle, scream that the sky is falling, start driving horse and buggys (oh the horses fart causing co2 cant do that) and shut down every factory and become hunter gatherers.

Really look at any picture of the coal burining plants in the 30's, the cars with no catalic converters, mufflers, and 6 miles to the gallon and rationally explain HOW we are polluting more than we did 30 years ago.. I say BS.

[Midnight Rambler]

With a global average temperature that was three-tenths of a degree Celsius (0.54º Fahrenheit) warmer than seasonal norms, 2005 tied with 2002 as the second warmest year in the past 27, according to data gathered by NOAA satellites and processed at The University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH).

Temperatures in 2005 followed a general pattern seen over the past 27 years, with the most significant warming seen in the northernmost third of the planet — especially in the Arctic. Large regions of slightly warmer than normal temperatures covered much of the globe.

Since November 1978, the Arctic atmosphere has warmed at a rate that is more than seven times faster than the average warming trend over the southern two-thirds of the globe.
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This is from the University of Alabama, Huntsville website. You know, the guys that supposedly re-ran the data and found global warming to be a fraud. http://www.uah.edu/News/newsread.php?newsID=291

Why not do some fact checking. One thing I learned from the newspaper business is that reporters are lazy, generally ignorant people. Read some actual science websites and educate yourself.
What is the agenda of the thousands of scientists that developed the global warming data? They want to make you pay higher taxes and drive a Prius? I really don't understand what you think scientists have to gain from fudging the data on global warming.

[Cpt. Snot Rocket]

What is the agenda of the thousands of scientists that developed the global warming data? They want to make you pay higher taxes and drive a Prius? I really don't understand what you think scientists have to gain from fudging the data on global warming.

What's to gain??? Their paycheck. Many of these scientist, if not most, receive grants to study this subject. The grants is what gives them a job and a paycheck. This works both ways. Scientist can "swing" evidence either way depending on who is paying for it.



Ice is growing thicker in the Antartic. These photo's show a construction crane nearly burried and the other a 120-foot communication towers with only 30 feet left to see.

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Antarctic_Ice_Sheet.htm

[Midnight Rambler]

As I pointed out yesterday Robert Felix is a former architect. Is that who you get your scientific information from? I was very impressed by the obviously photoshoped picture of the transmission towers buried in snow, you know the one he doesn't even have a source for.
If you would like to know why the Antartic is seeing more snow than normal I suggest, again, that you go to the National Geographic website. There you can learn all about how Antarctica generates it's own micro climate. But you would have to be interested in educating yourself to do something like that and you obviously just want to argue.
Yes, every scientist in the world is involved in a vast conspiracy to generate research grants for themselves, except of course the scientists that disagree. They don't get any research money as evidenced by their lack of research, and you are well informed because you look at websites run by former architects and frauds like Richard Hoagland.

[Cpt. Snot Rocket]

As I pointed out yesterday Robert Felix is a former architect. Is that who you get your scientific information from? I was very impressed by the obviously photoshoped picture of the transmission towers buried in snow, you know the one he doesn't even have a source for.
If you would like to know why the Antartic is seeing more snow than normal I suggest, again, that you go to the National Geographic website. There you can learn all about how Antarctica generates it's own micro climate. But you would have to be interested in educating yourself to do something like that and you obviously just want to argue.
Yes, every scientist in the world is involved in a vast conspiracy to generate research grants for themselves, except of course the scientists that disagree. They don't get any research money as evidenced by their lack of research, and you are well informed because you look at websites run by former architects and frauds like Richard Hoagland.

You know it isn't hard to find some reports on the growing ice in the Antartic:

http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2Scien...s/V9/N45/C2.jsp

Contrary to all the horror stories one hears about global warming-induced mass wastage of the Antarctic ice sheet leading to rising sea levels that gobble up coastal lowlands worldwide, the most recent decade of pertinent real-world data suggest that forces leading to just the opposite effect are apparently prevailing, even in the face of what climate alarmists typically describe as the greatest warming of the world in the past two millennia or more.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/cold-...ais-thicker.htm

New measurements show the ice in West Antarctica is thickening, reversing some earlier estimates that the sheet was melting.



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/...20130074839.htm

The stability of the West Antarctic ice sheet has long been a concern because of the potentially catastrophic rise in sea level that would result from its collapse. Researchers at UCSC and NASA now report that, contrary to previous studies, at least one part of the ice sheet is actually growing rather than shrinking.



And here NASA has built a computer model using satalite data for the first time. This shows a predicted cooling of the poles instead of a warning.

http://www.nasa.gov/lb/vision/earth/environment/sea_ice.html

A new NASA-funded study finds that predicted increases in precipitation due to warmer air temperatures from greenhouse gas emissions may actually increase sea ice volume in the Antarctic’s Southern Ocean. This adds new evidence of potential asymmetry between the two poles, and may be an indication that climate change processes may have different impact on different areas of the globe.



My hole point with the "Global Warming Crisis" is we need much much much more data before we make drastic global economical decisions that may prohibit the ability of developing countries to provide for themsleves as well as creating economic strife with severe taxation for those countries that already have a strong developed economy.

Example: There already is a food shortage (wheat) in undeveloped nations because the US (which feeds a lot of the global market) stopped growing it in the wake of artificially inflated corn prices to make ethonal products.

"Carbon Credits" sounds like a disaster in the making to me.