Waterboarding Options

[Robert]

In the last few years there have been dozens of stories about waterboarding.
For those who don't know what waterboarding is an Interrogation technique which has been around for 100's of years.
By no means is it anything new.

What really surprised me was how over hyped this whole story has been since it initially broke in 2005.
The news stories did their best to politicize this and make it sound as a wide on-going practice.
I would agree in a perfect world we all wish we lived in, something as repugnant as this wouldn't exist.
The question of whether or not it should be done is for a different day.
My interest is in the fact there have been dozens of stories about this in the last few years making it sound like an ongoing issue when it hasn't been done since 2003.
If you don't find that strange, then how about they way most of the news stories were written.
After reading these news stories, most people will have the impression it's a common practice.

So let's play a game.
Seeing as how there have been dozens of news stories about this in the last 3 years,
How many terror suspects do you think have been waterboarded.
A) More Than 100
B) 50-100
C) 25-50
D) 10-25
E) 5-10
F) less Than 5

If you guessed anything besides F you would be wrong.
Wrong but understandably so, after how publicized this issue has been in the last two years.
The actual number would be 3.
Why is it most news stories left out that fact or buried it at the end of the story?
Probably because that simple fact would minimize the story right down to being so insignificant it wouldn't be seen as news worthy.

We even know exactly who was interrogated this way.
1) The person who helped plan 9-11
2) The person who planned the attack on the U.S. Cole, he even rented the boat used in the attack killing 17 sailors
3) The person who beheaded Daniel Pearl.
Maybe it makes me a bad person, but I'm not going to shed a tear for whatever might be done to any of those 3.

Another point I found to be very interesting, is how outspoken some people have been.
Very quick to say how terrible the whole idea of waterboarding is, "No one should have to endure that"
Cry a river, how wrong it was to do it to those 3 people when there have been 1000's of Americana's who have had the same thing done to them.
Every Navy SEAL until recently was waterboarded as part of their SERE ( Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) training.
Dozens of CIA interrogators had to go through that as part of their training.
Dozens of Navy Pilots went thru a training program similar to SERE which included waterbaording.
So I really have to wonder how some people can condemn waterboarding the likes of the 3 killers above but then there is no outcry over 1000's of Americans going thru the same thing.

Just something to keep it in perspective.

[Blitz]

I have no problem with using this and other means to gather information.
The enemy follows no protocol, kills women, children and civilians and uses them as human shields.

To be entlted to the rules of the Geneva Convention, you have to be fighting under a military in unifrom.

What options do we have?
The thousands of radicals fight independently with loose ties to many groups moving money thru multiple countries and recieving orders from all over the place.

If it was a country we were at war with, you defate their military and force surrender.


With no clear enemy we must gather info from everywhere and root out sleeper cells and nutjobs that want us dead. I will be fine with saying NO to torture but please give the people in charge of this mess some tools to solve this problem.
Until somone comes up with a better idea.... well lets just say you have to break a few eggs to make a cake.

I also say we should be executing by firing squad anyone that helps fund the enemy or fights with them like this asshole.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3067394/