Bush admin makes me puke Options

[Hellfighter]

So here's the latest regarding 'mission accomplished'....
Can the lies by the Bush admin get more nauseating - I'm sure they can....
Look at this one -explaining away what 'Mission Accomplished' really meant.
Why do these Bush croney/minions/goons think that when they spew out their rubbish in pathetic lies that the majority of Americans/the world think like gullable numbskulled neocons and war-mongerors;
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tm9-cZ2s7i4&feature=related

[Robert]

Oh I agree on some points. Such as one of the dumbest things Rice said before congress is they had no intel about planes being used as wepons.
Which would be true if put in the limited context of intel about Bin Laden, but would be a lie when put in the broader context of other possible lines of attacks.
I want to me clear about this, there were no reports predicting Al-Qaeda flying planes into buildings.
The Al-Qaeda security briefs listed hyjacking and bombing of international flights.
There were other general security briefs, not relating to Al-Qaeda, which did list the possiblites of planes being used as bombs.
I think many of the problems facing this administration is a result of them playing word games in an attempt to save face.
This was a known possiblity since 1994 when another Islamic Group hyjacked a plane in Paris with the intention of flying the plane into the Eiffel Tower.

You ask why Bush didn't ramp up security with 10 years of reports predicting some kind of attack.
Even if he had, it wouldn't have stopped 9-11 because at the time the reports only predicted an attack from incoming intenational flights, likely from an Arab nation.
You're kidding yourself if you think anyone would have put up with the extra security measures prior to what happened on 9-11.

[Hellfighter]

.........
I want to me clear about this, there were no reports predicting Al-Qaeda flying planes into buildings.
The Al-Qaeda security briefs listed hyjacking and bombing of international flights.
...........
This was a known possiblity since 1994 when another Islamic Group hyjacked a plane in Paris with the intention of flying the plane into the Eiffel Tower.

You have that correct of course -to a certain point..... but, seeing as intel knew flying planes into buildings was in a quaeda's actual repetoire of 'weapons', it would only seem obvious Al quaeda flying planes into buildings in an attack on the USA could be deduced putting 2+2 together.
And this;
Regarding plans to fly a plane into the eiffel tower..... that 'another Islamic Group' was linked with Al quaeda very 'directly'.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...2494eiffelcrash
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/newjournal...naiforecast.htm
Also;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/may/1...ism.september11
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...756C0A9649C8B63
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/05/15/bush...t.11/index.html

Fact that Bum Laden's plans existed to attack West by flying planes into high profile structures + intel reports of bum Laden planning to hijack planes=....... credible threat
2+2 = 9/11
In spite of Rice claiming that scenario was 'outside of the box'; the facts were there to initialize taking precautions -> empty threat or not it was a real possibility.
Our problem [simple folk like Bush and neocons ] is that they assume the terrorists we fight have no sense of long term strategy nor that they think dynamically. This underestimating of the enemy is costly in friendlys lives.


My point is why gather intel if you don't act on its contents.... Kind of like Stalin scoffing at those gold mine intel reports he received about Hitler's planned invasion of Russia in '41.
Neocons and right/repubs love to look back and express how Billy-boy wasn't pushing bum Laden hard enough.... Yet Bush did nothing to bolster precautionary measures- at least.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.... what if he'd even started to hype up airport security threats - making airlines more security conscious and passengers/flight crews aware of their surroundings- international intelligence networks would also be more likely to be actively seeking hijacked planes planning -all of these could have had a ripple effect in putting bum Laden off from attempting the audacious 9-11 attacks.

When al Quaeda attacks its because they see a relatively risk-free breach in defences/security -rarely would/do they strike at prepared defences-> the cowards don't operate where someone puts up a fight.



This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 05/05/08 7:11am