Bush Admin Lying Machine coming apart, Be careful whose bed you choose to lie in McCain Options

[Hellfighter]

So here we go;
Straight from the source like never before;
One of Bush's own about to reveal the whole Bush Admin/neocon lying machine scheme-
No surprise really -but now its about to be officially 'explored'.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10649.html

some doubters may venture to say he's just selling a book - but he seems to be like Colin Powell and the Generals who criticized the Iraq war from its outset, a virtuous person who was slapped around by the neocon villains in the admin revealing the formerly deliberately obscured facts for themselves for everyone to judge-finally.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 05/28/08 9:16am

[Robert]

I thought his remarks about McCain were just as positive maybe even more so.
McClellan said he thought the biggest problem was partisan politics.
Which by the way is something I strongly agree with him about.
He liked Osama for SAYING he would reach out to the other side, then added he liked McCain because he has already shown he's willing to do so because of the bipartisan legislation he's been part of.


Don't know where you get the idea I'm wearing rose colored glasses.
I'm only pointing out how this book had less to do with Bush than the the partisan politics of Washington.
It's the same partisan politics you're accusing me of that is trying to make this book into some more than it is.

As far as the "Republicans vs. Democrats paradigm" you mention.
That's exactly what I see as the real problem.
No one is really facing the problems of the day.
We are left with the Dem's, who for their own political gains try to portray Bush as the anti-Christ of presidents.
While the Repub's in an attempt to save their political ass, spend their time defending Bush.
For example, in 2004, 2006, how many Dems got elected to congress on a get out of Iraq platform?
What have they done so far?
Osama and Clinton both made a large part of the presidential bid on getting out of Iraq.
All I want to know is at what cost?
I completely agree Iraq is a total cluster fuck, largely in part to how poor a job Bush and his administration did not only conducting the war but inability to keep support for it.
What I don't believe is this silly an completely unfounded idea it was a planned and purposeful conspiracy laid out by Bush for his own personal reasons.
It was a knee jerk reaction to 9-11
They were looking for a target to push the war on terrorism, Iraq appaered to be one of the next logicial steps.
A step which later turned out to be wrong but was understandable considering the Intel available at the time.

I'm more than willing to admit one of America's biggest mistakes was the near free pass Bush got going into Iraq.
My problem now is I'm just as sick of the free pass the Dem's are getting with their Bush was wrong we need to get out of Iraq rhetoric. They sell that point again an again but have completely failed to admit what it will mean to Iraq and the whole middle east if we leave based on some impromptu timetable.

It drives me nuts when the Dems in congress continue to point the finger at Bush, trying to lay Iraq solely at his feet. Did they forget about the system of checks and balances put into place that they are part of as members of congress?
How many of them have been so outspoken about Iraq, yet have voted for each Iraq spending bill because they were able to put enough of their own pork in it?

I'll make this clear so there will be no misunderstandings.
While I consider myself a Conservative, I do not consider myself a Republican.
I would be a libertarian if it wasn't for their stance on open immigration.
I voted for Bush both times and would do so again based on who he was running against.
If Wesley Clark had won the nomination in 2004, I would have voted for him even though he's a democrat.

As for Bush.
I completely support his sweeping policy change where acts of terrorism would no longer be viewed as criminal acts but as military attacks against the US.
While I'm disappointed with how Iraq was handled, I for one can see the intent and benefits of democracy taking even a small hold in Iraq.
In fact that would have to be one of my biggest criticisms about Olbermann's interview last night.
Olbermann tried to make it out to be some horrible thing that the US would be involved in trying to spread democracy, another Bush Blunder in his view.
What? where has he been the last 40 years?
I think there is plenty of proof that democracy and the advancement of personal freedoms leads to peace.
Is that not what happened in places like Germany, Japan and Russia?


Something else I wanted to expand upon.
In this topic and almost every politic blog/forum I've read today brings up Bush leaking the NIE report.
There is an important distinction I think everyone is missing.
Bush didn't leak the report.
He as President had legal authority to declassify the report in full or in part.
Straight from the interview last night.
McClellan "The president has the legal authority to declassify the NIE report"
If anyone else would have released the information it would have been an illegal leak of classified information.
It wasn't an illegal leak, it was legally declassified.
So why does everyone still insist on referring to it as a leak?
Why? because referring to it as leak makes it sound more menacing.
BTW does everyone know what the NIE report was?
A report 4 democratic senate leaders requested to see if the most current intelligence information on available on Iraq would affirm or conflict with the information put out by the Bush administration.
An independently request and compiled report which did in fact support the majority of Bush's previous claims concerning suspected WMD's in Iraq.
Tell me again just where the breaking news story is in that?
What was declassified by Bush in no way directly lead to the leak of Valerie Plame CIA Identity.
That was outside of the information he wanted released.
BTW Libby was not found guilty of purposefully leaking Plame's Identity, only lying about his part in it.
Regardless of how some news outlets try an act like it, there was never any evidence the leak of Plame Identity was done on purpose.
I will agree Libby should have gone to jail for his part in it.
I will even say Bush was 100% wrong to pardon Libby.