Palin Options

[Robert]

Just wanted to point out I called Palin as VP over 4 months ago, for all the same reasons the decision was made now.
If McCain wins, I honestly believe this will be what puts him over the top.

Also you couldn't ask for better timing to make this announcement.
The DNC convention ended last night with a huge bang an there's not a single leading news story about it.
The news is 100% about Palin as VP.
Talk about stealing someones thunder.

I hope they win an McCain dies the next day.

[Robert]

Obama made several dumb moves over the last 2 months , but to his credit, he still remains a mighty foe to the mighty McCain - many had LONG predicted it was now Obama would crumble under the weight of McCain's expected tornado of attacks. Obama still stands.

And now the Achilles heel of the McCain/Palin ticket is fully exposed and ripe to be slashed open.
First, Palin shows her TOTAL lack of aptitude for worldly affairs should she become President in taking over McCain in his early 70s and a multiple cancer survivor.

Nice use of liberal talking points there.
I'm surprised you didn't go all the way an use the one about her being a heartbeat away from the presidency. You do realize this is a stupid attack point as Obama is just as lacking on foreign relations experience.
I didn't claim Obama was on his death bed but the 3 important battle ground states he previously had locked up are now back up for grabs. I guarantee you what has happened over the last 2 weeks was totally unexpected by Obama's campaign.





........ Only thing that concerns me is Palin as a VP in the international game/or if she needs to step in as Prez.... but I'll wait to see her in her debates on that to see what her intellectual/contemplative style is like.
I got my answer the day after -loud and clear! To see her plainly bluffing her way through her concept of the Bush Doctrine was astoundingly disturbing. This is serious business. I'm inclined to believe she'd be totally dependant on being told how to dictate foreign affairs due to her apparent non-interest in the complexities of that facet of being a world leader.
I got a lot of laughs the next day when the talking heads gave Palin scathing reviews about her supposed lack on information concerning the "Bush Doctrine". Want to know why I found it so funny? It's because 3 different political analyst all condemned Plain for supposedly not know what the Bush Doctrine was but all 3 gave completely different explanations about what it is.
The 1st one defined it as preemptive strikes to defend American interest.
The 2nd one said it concerned identifying states which protected terrorist as terrorist states and part of the new axis of evil
The last one was the only person to get it right because they referenced the 2002 National Security Strategy document, which is the Bush Doctrine as can be read here
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.pdf
Even the way Gibson himself defined the Bush Doctrine in the interview would be inaccurate.
BTW I think it's worth pointing out this whole issue is stupid because the Bush Doctrine ends when he leaves office. I don't remember anyone asking Presidential nominee in 2000 about the Clinton Doctrine.

Speaking of Gibson's interview I found it laughable how he conducted it when compared to his interview with Obama
Obama interview:
How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to "win"?
How does your family feel about your "winning" breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor's [Clinton] speech?
Palin interview:
Do you have enough qualifications for the job you're seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
Aren't you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
Questions about foreign policy
-territorial integrity of Georgia
-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
-NATO treaty
-Iranian nuclear threat
-what to do if Israel attacks Iran
-Al Qaeda motivations
-the Bush Doctrine
-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan
Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

Can you honestly not see the difference between the two interview and the bias?
Obama's was a total fluff piece while thru crafty editing purposefully made Plain look bad.
I found this review of the Gibson interview dead on
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/...palin-interview
Or here is a full transcript of the interview, very different than what was broadcast
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5795641






Then we have McCain.... again making an astonishing comment on the day the market crumbles 500 points!He declares as he's done nearly 2 dozen times this year that the economy is 'fundamentally' sound.
The repeated remark clearly has the conservative base jittery.
Now McCain and Palin who belong to the party which is typically ALL for government deregulation -which led to the shenanigans of financial bigwigs screwing themselves up royally by running rampant with foolhardy schemes- these two candidates are puffing themselves up as the ultimate fighters to 'the old boys network' in Washington to bring change.
I agree it was a terrible sound byte, which Obama used to his full advantage.
Yet, Obama fell short again. while he complained about McCain's remark he made no statement about how he would improve things. All he could do if fall back on his stump speech of pointing out how bad thing are so vote for me "Mr Hope and Change", while completely failing to address how he will change things.

Also you completely mischaracterize McCain's stance on deregulation, he was the one calling for more oversight 3 years ago an partially predicted the financial collapse of Fannie May an Freddy Mac. Which is why he co-sponsered the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005. Which was shot down by demcrat leaders. Then the Republicains tried again two years later with the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2007.
Barney Frank the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee is the one who killed the bill stating
''Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.
Good call Mr. Democrat, yet people are jumping all over McCain for saving the fundamentals of the American economy are strong? Which BTW I wouldn't completely disagree with, after all it's not like Russia who had to shut down their markets because the loses were mounting
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...refer=worldwide
Would it have been better to run around crying the sky is falling?





You think Obama/Biden will devastate McCain/Palin during the debates?
Are you on drugs? Obama is the one who wanted to limit the debates and flatly refused to do any town hall style talks. It will be a waste for Biden to go after Palin during their debates because she will be busy going after Obama and his platform.
You mentioned how McCain an Palin differ on several issue. Are you aware the same thing could be said about Biden an Obama.
They differ on:
Iraq
The Surge
Obama previous stance on early withdraw from Iraq
Taxes
Military
Most importantly, while Biden was mainly picked for his foreign policy experience, Biden and Obama are very different on that subject.

[Hellfighter]

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Nice use of liberal talking points there.
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You think Obama/Biden will devastate McCain/Palin during the debates?
Are you on drugs? .....

Alrighty- ol'chum
How about we keep personal 'debasing' out of this -as well as the 'are you stupid' insinuations....
I'm pretty good too in colouring up my blabbering in that 'style', but I'd rather refer to you on 'clean' debating terms.

First my views are not straight from the liberal bandwagon.... I'm listening to Palin, McCain, Biden, Obama speaking regularly and determining my assessments from those direct sources chiefly.... if you like I can say you're a neo-con and that dear Robert is making all of his analysis based on right-wing agenda website blogs.... it's pretty easy to do so.
I'm sure the truth however is that you're thinking for yourself-as am I......

What I think the debates will be quite revealing, is my speculation /prediction.
The points I make are valid imo;
Palin is currently in scripted dialogue mode -one can imagine she's being boot-camp rehearsed in how not to sound to right-wing nor too neo-con/Bush doctriner-like. Her biggest drawback will be putting forth the dialogue of those who thrust her into her VP hopeful spot rather than how she'd comfortably put forth her own views. You can imagine in debates with Biden he will be knocking her off balance with precision questioning on the workings of critical-mode International affairs ....
ps. Palin should know the Bush Doctrine if asked should she not? ...it's a formula of her party boss and she's running for VP -so why deflect the issue as to who else is not sure about what it means....

Actually all those queries pointed at Obama you mention were very critical ones -they weren't mickey mouse fluff -at the time horribly answering those questions could knock off a few popularity points.
Palin's questions were pretty easy - what was so tricky about the questions... if she had a firm belief in her party's policies in those areas the questions covered there was no problem in answering them sincerely- any real conservative would be able to put forth answers easily to all of those questions without batting an eyelash -in so doing the respondant would make themselves look pretty good in their beliefs-McCain could answer those questions very easily -why should Palin find them difficult -nothing harsh at all in that interview -if she can't handle that, well.....

Of course you're right about Barney Frank having paved the way for the 2 fallouts you mentioned, but the condition were building up before that point due to lack of regulations.But beyond that there are more crunches coming up most likely on Wall st.
Perhaps you missed the various occasions McCain touted himself as all for deregulation;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQVd_FdRw6Q
the clip mentions a couple of occasions, but he's put himself in that same spot several times.
As much as you can claim McCain was predicting dire straits heading for Wall st. the same can be said about Obama giving such warnings.
http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/fina...n-bush-policies
Anyway see it for yourself while we're on the subject of fundamentals....
McCain here, says he's 'fundamentally a deregulator'
see the bottom of page 1 at this link...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/sto...4379&page=1


I think the Obama campaign could do alot more painting McCain as a tremendous flip-flopper. Like the end of the youtube clip above said near the end, McCain does alot of 'conversion of convenience' on many issues.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 09/17/08 8:14pm