Biden vs. Palin VP Debate, Contest of Contests Options

[Hellfighter]

Damnnnnn

Ok, Robert - I love to hate to say this about you,
but you did it again - another prophetic call on your part. She did very well.

Who was THIS Palin?

Steady as a rock she was.....
From the War in Iraq session on she was visibly looking to go at it no holds barred with Biden.
Kudos to Palin's prep team.
A couple of slip ups on her part on foreign policy and a couple of domestic issues but she was very poised and solid. Mission accomplished for her in my opinion.

Biden was 'Johnny on the spot' to edge out Palin utilizing the full extent of his experience. I'm not sure Hillary could've topped her. Palin even threw Biden off his game visibly at one point regarding counterattacking Biden's point about the US general in Afghanistan saying the Surge wasn't applicable there.
It looked like he got an uppercut out of nowhere as he recolied for 2 seconds and looked down thinking; 'what the hell did she just do to me!'.
One thing I was fearing was she'd blow it so badly she'd be traumatized by it all her life. I think she can now go back to her room and woot woot all night and do victory somersaults on her bed - she can be proud she didn't fail those who counted on her tonight.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 10/02/08 9:47pm

[Robert]

.in fact it looks like McCain is now the deadweight in his campaign.

I know a few people are going to roll their eyes at this because
She's inexperienced.
She's this or that.

But I would be just as happy voting if she was on top of the ticket.

[Hellfighter]

.in fact it looks like McCain is now the deadweight in his campaign.

I know a few people are going to roll their eyes at this because
She's inexperienced.
She's this or that.

But I would be just as happy voting if she was on top of the ticket.

I was always curious why Romney dropped out of the race so suddenly - in doing that he took the wind out of the sails of the real Conservatives imo..... Him and Palin would be quite the team -or perhaps they'd be at each others throats.

Palin's problem is learning how to spew out facts like Biden has a talent to do.
In fact she NEEDS to start really learning them.
One blatant inaccuracy she made was regarding the war in Afghanistan and her saying that the civilan casualties due to erroneous American air attacks was "a lie". In fact these misdirected attacks are very much shaking up the alliance between the Afghans and the Coalition force there in a major way. The only problem in Afghanistan is not sealing the porous border line with Pakistan - Biden should have stressed that rather than vaguely say more troops was the answer.
This is one weakness Obama/Biden have in not giving strategical details regarding Iraq/Afghanistan issues which would trump McCain merely saying endlessly he knows how to win wars when in fact he has no bearing at all in the decision making of the general's strategies. He 'only' supported the surge's continuation at its slumping stage more vigorously than anyone else. Palin did make that distinction in the debate - being careful to say Obama did not support funding for the troops in Iraq while many other Dems DID -even though it was unpopular with the Dem voters/supporters.
It's a bit funny to see on TV now some Dem pundits/Obama campaignists visibly upset Palin did not curl up and die in the debate. Of course they make valid points about Palin being evasive and she did make 'details' errors, but they kind of looked stunned at the moment with her face-saving performance




This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 10/02/08 10:46pm

[HammaTime]

Wow, you guys missed a lot of significant errors.

She got the commander's name in Afghanistan wrong and she got his response to an Iraq-type surge wrong, the reason Biden was looking down during that exchange was he couldn't believe what she was saying. “The word I don’t use for Afghanistan is ’surge,’ ” General McKiernan, the commander in Afghanistan said yesterday.

The surge in Iraq was a battle tactic. It was effective as it was timed with the Anbar Awakening. McKiernan was clear that Afghanistan can use more troops (a deployment, not a tactic) but a "surge" would not work with the tribal system in that country.

As a middle of the roader, I was unmoved by her performance, and I certainly do not share your enthusiasm, Robert, that she is someone who should ever be near the Oval office.

Moments after the debate, Senator Kit Bond, although praising her performance, clearly stated that she was dead wrong if she thought the vice's powers could be expanded over the Senate. The only power in that body is the ability to settle a tie vote.

I predict, this issue will get a fair amount of play.

She apparently did no real harm, but I found her "folksy charm" to be downright grating by the end of the debate. Her lack of a passionate response to Biden's emotional reference to the tragedy that befell her family spoke volumes about her lack of ability to think on her feet.

Biden was slow out of the blocks, but overall incredibly solid. They both exceeded expectations.

So, we have a debate that may have given some energy to people like Robert, but it did nothing for independents. You can't win in states like Michigan if you can't pull in more Independents. Interesting to see the McCain campaign is giving up on Michigan. One would think they would have waited until after the debate.

If I was a McCain supporter, the move from Michigan would really trouble me. They must have internal polling that looks a lot worse than what we are seeing publicly. If this extends to other toss-up states, I'd say McCain is in dire need of some more stunts.