IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

> !!!!!!!!!This Forum!!!, Controversy
realdeal
post 06/29/04 11:30am
Post #1


Admin
**********

Group: Not The One & Only
Posts: 7517
Joined: July 26th 2002
From: New York
Member No.: 2



Apparently there has been some controversy of late as to this forum and the topics and videos available and discussed here.

As I have said numerous times before, it is my opinion and belief that these videos should be seen by all as a reminder of just what we, as a country are up against and the animalistic nature of the enemy. If I had my way, I would show the jets crashing into the World Trade Center every night at the beginning of the evening news. Have you seen this videos lately? If not, I would highly suggest taking another look at them. To this date I still get chills down my body when I see that video. Maybe I am a little more affected by 9/11 than most as I live about 15 miles from the WTC and several of my friends/former co-workers were killed on that day in cold blood. What a horrible way to die! Thousands of innocent lives we lost that day - for nothing!

In my opinion, people have a tendency to forget things with the passage of time. It's human nature sometimes. I think a great example of this would be all of the media coverage of the "abuse" of the Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Ghraib detention center. Did you notice how much press this got in the news media? It headlined for weeks and to this day, still does on occasion. Often it would headline the news even before they reported about the beheadings. There is NO comparision in the "abuse" at Abu Ghraib and the and torture and murders by the Iraqi militants/Al Qaida.

This forum is strictly to discuss the issues and help keep people's awareness.

Some may say that they don't need to view the videos to be aware of the barbaric nature of our enemy or that the posts by some in this forum calling for genocide of Muslims is abominable.

Well, my suggestion to those that don't want to watch the videos is: DON'T WATCH THEM.
There are plenty of warnings about the contents of the videos and if you still watch them after reading the warnings, it's your own fault.

As for the discussion in this forum that some may not agree with, either don't read it or at least respect freedom of speech. I have never deleted a post in this forum and never will. No matter what side of the fence people are on, I feel that they are entitled to their opinion. After all, this is the United States of America and if I remember correctly, Freedom of Speech is still protected under the First Amendment of the US Constitution.


--------------------
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Replies
realdeal
post 07/01/04 11:01am
Post #2


Admin
**********

Group: Not The One & Only
Posts: 7517
Joined: July 26th 2002
From: New York
Member No.: 2



QUOTE ({DMW}Wassy @ Jul 1 2004, 10:32 AM)

We all have the choice to visit or not visit their sites, to watch or not watch the videos.


This is true Wassy. This is another reason I removed these posts our of the MISC/OFF TOPIC forum and created the WAR ON TERROR forum.


QUOTE ({DMW}Wassy @ Jul 1 2004, 10:32 AM)

In my opinion, it would be more appropriate for BART & REAL to setup separate websites to promote their ideals.


I disagree. There are several issues discussed on this forum that have nothing to do with MOHAA or gaming at all. Some of the issues discussed here are work related, sometimes people just need a place to vent about life, sports, current events, etc. So there shouldn't be a problem with a WAR ON TERROR forum. Like you said, people have the choice whether or not they want to view this forum or not.

QUOTE ({DMW}Wassy @ Jul 1 2004, 10:32 AM)

These MOHAA sites are often visited by young people. Young people are likely to watch graphic video's only because of the WARNING that is displayed.


I don't know if the WARNING does anything to make someone want to watch the video more or not. But this was always a concern of mine since I started posting these videos. There is no way for me currently to block access to children. It might be possible in the next update of the forums and if it is I will look into it. For now though, it will stay the way it is. However, with that said, these videos are widely available on the net and any kid who wants to see them can and will find them. I would rather have them view it here where it is presented with fact and circumstance than where it is presented at another website as a "beheading of the week" video just for for shits and giggles.

Remember, when 9/11 happend and the news media showed footage of some of those people who jumped from the building rather than be burned alive.

I have made my feelings and political views very clear on the war on terror and I will not censor what others may post here. This is not a one sided conversation. I am not on a soap box forcing people to share my thoughts and views. I look forward to and welcome others views as well. I can try and keep things from getting out of control and I have in the past, but I will not delete posts of others who are express there opinions or feelings. They should be heard. Whether they agree with me or not.


And for those ADULTS who refuse to watch the videos, I say, all should watch...and remember. I have obviosly wathced these videos. I didn't want to. I do not get pleasure from these videos, quite the contrary. Yet I force myself to watch because I want to know our enemies. I don't want to understand them; I want to know them, so that I know who they are and what they are. (This view was expressed by a reporter in an article on the internet and I fully agree with him)
I want to know those who will brutally kill us without hesitation or remorse. I want these ugly and horrifying images burned into my memory so that I can be confident and resolute in knowing the magnitude of lethality we must dispense to defeat this enemy and perhaps most importantly, I want to know them and what they do, so that I may righteously condemn and fight if need be those within our country and our government who lend support to them.

Some people have said that they don't need to see this video, or others like it, to know our enemy. But that is not true. Even with our culture of media-exploited violence, it is one thing to imagine these acts, yet it is something entirely different to actually see them. I had pictured in my mind the terrorists removing Nicholas Berg's head with a single swing of a sword. In reality, it was a much more gruesome and brutal event. The terrorists threw Nicholas Berg to the floor, jumped on him and held him down, and then repeatedly hacked at his neck with a large knife, (all this while shouting "God is Great" ) for what seemed to be an eternity until it came off in the terrorist's hands. Nicholas Berg's death was anything but quick or painless.

(This is not directed directly at you Wassy) Open your eyes to what you do not want to see. For what happened to Nicholas Berg and the others will be our future one million times over, unless we fight back with fury and unrestrained vengeance. World War III is upon us and if we are to survive, we must purge the earth of this evil--including those among us who rally for America's defeat.


I have gotten a bit off topic but I hope you can understand my position.








--------------------
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic


Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 05/04/26 2:55pm
Skin Designed by Canucks Fan Zone