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post 08/25/04 2:16pm
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Most of you already know about the swift vets and their questions/attacks on Kerry.
The most common response by the Kerry Camp is most of the swift vets didn't SERVE with Kerry because they where on other boats.

It's a funny way to get around the subject.
Here is a funny picture, which I think points out the humor.

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Not a word was spoken to contradict or disagree with S@bot when he called me a....
bully, dictator, snide, hypocrite, arrogant, smartass and lets not forget,
according to him the way I act is reprehensible.
Yet, you're going to censor my signature because it's inappropriate and might hurt his little feelings???
Sorry. don't think so

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post 08/28/04 12:56am
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My standard preamble to post about politics.
People tend to take things personal, please don't.
Some of you agree with me other don't, which is fine. The real point of these discussions, is the discussion. Maybe something I say will change your opinion or maybe it won't, whats important is it gets people thinking about the subjects.
I highly doubt anyone will sway my opinions because I give a lot of thought to many of these subjects prior to drawing any conclusions. I'm not saying I'm the only one who does, but I do think most people base their opinions on 30 second sound-bytes which is unfortunate.

Hard drive I'll reply to both of your post.
You said "what good has Bush even done. I don't want to hear anything about 911 or anything of the such. He can't even get the guy who is responsible. "

You don't want to talk about 9-11?
Do you honestly not see just how important the subject is?
This was the largest attack on the US in our whole history, but your opinion is "yea but what has he done for me lately?"
For me, there is no larger or more important issue than the war or terror.
9-11 wasn't a fluke, it wasn't a one time thing.
The 9-11 commissions report should be a huge resounding wakeup call for america.
For the terroist 9-11 had a dual purpose, increase recognition for al-Qaeda and with the increased recognition, increased funding for continuing and larger attacks on the U.S. and our interest abroad.
Has their been another attack? no.
People can draw their own conclusions on why we haven't suffered another attack, for me the answer is easy, we took the fight to them and rightfully so.

On the boarder patrol subject I'm in complete aggrement with you.
This subject both parties have yet to come up with a working solution.
For me this is just another example of why Political Correctness is the largest problem with our government. Unlike many problems this is a simple one which has a simple solution. The real problem is no one wants to address it out of fear of alienating some voters.

I think your view on taxes is way off base. Here is a breakdown of who pays the tax bill for 2001 which is most recent year their are complete and accurate totals for.
The top 10% paid 68% of income taxes.
The bottom 50% make up only 3.97 percent of all income taxes paid
Everybody has heard the misleading stories about how the rich paid less taxes because of Bush's tax cut. The real reason why is becasue the wealthy took huge hits during the recent stock market downturn. They didn't make near as much money so they paid less in taxes.
It's pretty simple when you think about it.
Our tax system is a disaster either way you look at it.
For me, the best way would be a split between a flat tax and a usage tax paid in the form of a national sales tax. As a tax break for the poor I would exempt the necessities of life ( food , housing ) from the sales tax.


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But can you tell me why we went over there. America has never ent after anyone unless we were attacked first. HMMMMMM. Sadam didn't attack us. Hell, they cant even find these so called weapons of mass destructions. All Bush is, is a liar. And if you can't see that, Then you are blind.

Sorry but I think your the one who is blind and here is why.
So Bush is a lair? So by your reasoning, someone who acts on the information provided to them is a lair if the information turns out to be false.
Here is a little example to prove my point. Lets say your at work and a neighbor calls you to tells you a suspicious person is lurking around your house. Your 1st thougt is burglar and so you call the police. Well by the time the police get to your house there is no one there or maybe it turned out to be your brother who had a key, dropping by to borrow something. Would this make you a liar? No of course not, you came to a conclusion on the information you where supplied with ( the call from the neighbor ). There are 3 possible explanations to why we didn't find WMD's
1) They were never there and it was a huge intelignece blunder, however we do know Saddam had and used them in the past against the Kurds and in the Iran-Iraq war.
2) They could still be hidden and we only mis-guessed as to the amount. This is still possible. Here is a guy who actaully barried jet fighters which completly destoyed them, in an attempt to hide them. Chem and Bio weapons are tiny when comapred to conventional weapons. It would be very easy to hide them.
3) The WMD's where moved out of Iraq, this is also possible.

What becomes of Iraq is a wait an see game.
I've no doubt in 20 years it will be what defines the Bush presidency.
If democracy takes even a limited hold, history will show Bush in a very favorable light.
If it turns into a power vacuum and the whole region becomes more unstable, Bush will be viewed as a failed president lacking any worthwhile legacy.

While on the subject of Iraq and WMD's, initially Kerry gave his full support to military action in Iraq. Later he backed off because of the hits he took from the anti-war groups who make up a part of his support base.
Now Kerry makes claims about how Bush "Embellished" the intelligence reports about Iraq and WMD's. The only problem with this is, Kerry sits on the Senate Intelligence committee. As a member of the committe Kerry recived the same Intel reports as the president. Kerry didn't make any claims of Bush embellishing the reports at the time. He waited to make these claims when it served his political ambitions.


Again for anyone who doesn't agree with me, please don't take anything personal.
If you have a problem with what I say, feel free to bash me the next time you see me on the server. If anyone wants to debate this subject, I'm looking forward to it.
I realize I probably won't change the person's mind who wants to agrue the facts, but maybe the people who read this can take a little of this and that from the debate and come to a more informed decision on their own.

Anyway....
What the hell are you guys reading this for.
Go kill somebody on the server.


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Not a word was spoken to contradict or disagree with S@bot when he called me a....
bully, dictator, snide, hypocrite, arrogant, smartass and lets not forget,
according to him the way I act is reprehensible.
Yet, you're going to censor my signature because it's inappropriate and might hurt his little feelings???
Sorry. don't think so

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Druid   Swift Vets   08/25/04 2:16pm
Hoods   Unlike the closeness of this picture of these plan...   08/25/04 3:28pm
realdeal   The canal was only 75 yards wide!   08/25/04 3:55pm
Hoods   They were not in the boat, period. Let me also r...   08/25/04 6:46pm
Blakjak   Who gives a fuck, it's irrelevant and a waste ...   08/25/04 9:57pm
realdeal   Sure! The issue is that Kerry is basing his en...   08/25/04 11:35pm
Bargod   **WARNING RANT AHEAD** My wife is a die-hard d...   08/26/04 4:44am
Silver   we need the old mayor of buffalo for prez. JIMMY G...   08/26/04 8:22am
Johnzillah   Exactly! So why in the hell is John Kerry ru...   08/26/04 11:17am
Hoods   It's been down hill ever since Bush has taken ...   08/26/04 1:08pm
Druid   For Blakjak As RealDeal already pointed out it...   08/26/04 1:45pm
Wassy   BG, your prayer's are in process of being an...   08/26/04 4:44pm
Hard Drive   I just want someone to tell me what good has Bush ...   08/26/04 5:15pm
realdeal   Wow! Spoken like a true Liberal. I love when...   08/26/04 5:42pm
Silver   Dude u are so right. That’s the first valid thi...   08/26/04 5:53pm
Hard Drive   THanks Real. But can you tell me why we went ov...   08/27/04 5:17pm
realdeal   America has never ent after anyone unless we wer...   08/27/04 10:19pm
Blakjak   No, no, no, I don't care if he has made it fai...   08/27/04 11:11pm
Johnzillah   THanks Real. But can you tell me why we went ove...   08/28/04 12:49am
Druid   My standard preamble to post about politics. Peopl...   08/28/04 12:56am
Blakjak   What Druid, all that writing and no comment on my ...   08/28/04 10:55am
Hard Drive   America has never ent after anyone unless we wer...   08/28/04 3:27pm
Silver   was'nt the united states offered osama bin ...   08/28/04 4:16pm


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