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post 09/13/04 3:13am
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We are in Iraq for a wide variety of reasons, one of which involves oil.
When I say it involves oil doesn't mean we are there because we want the oil or are going to steal it but because part of the money from their vast oil reserves could and probably would be used to support terrorism either directly or indirectly against the U.S.
Here is a list of reasons why I think we are in Iraq.
1) A very important point people have seem to forgot is Iraq had the opportunity to avoid the war. They could of allowed full access to U.N. weapon inspectors but didn't.
2) U.N.'s inability to handle the situation. Several groups claim it should of been handled by the U.N. including 3 of the permanent members of the security council ( France , Russia and China ). We now know all 3 where illegally selling weapons and equipment to Iraq in direct conflict with the U.N. resolutions the 3 countries supported. Syria violating U.N. resolutions by allowing Iraq oil through their pipelines, this allowed Iraq access to Oil money which was unaccountable to resolutions put in place to limit Iraq's ability to make war.
Let's not forget the 5 billion dollars and still rising missing from the oil for food program. So far some of the people who we now are sure received money in a scam involving Iraq oil vouchers.
I will just list totals and counties to save room in what will be a long post. If anyone whats to question who and who much, I'll be happy to supply details.
This is just a short list but an interesting one
Russia $340 million
France $60 million
Jordan $20 million
There is even a 4 million dollar payout to The Palestinian Liberation Organization. A known terrorist organization.
Also included in the list is the U.N. undersecretary who ran the Oil for food program.
Even more interesting to me is how the whole oil for food program was setup.
Saddam got to make up his own list of who the buyers of oil and suppliers of goods would be and most importantly this list of buyers and suppliers would remain confidential.
Or we could just stick to potential terrorist connections.
Two companies on the U.N.-approved buyer list of Saddam's oil, ASAT Trust and Bank Al Taqwa were both on the U.N.'s own terror-watch list, as entities "belonging to or affiliated with Al Qaeda."
Here are two companies who received millions of dollars via under priced Iraq Oil vouchers on the U.N.'s terrorists watch list and no red flags went up?
If you want some interesting reading check the section on the press release involving the freezing of assets here under section #2 Nada/Nasreddin Network
http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/po3380.htm
Even after their assets where frozen here, tens of millions of dollars was funneled to them via the U.N. oil for food program.
If anyone wants to argue that the U.N should of dealt with the Iraq problem and not the U.S., I'm willing to listen but you need to back up your views with how and why.
3) The Atomic Energy Agency who regulates the supply of uranium has documented several attempts by Iraq to buy large quantities of uranium. This was during the same time Iraq tried to import 60,000 specialized aluminium tubes which are subject to international export controls because they have possible application in building gas centrifuges for uranium enrichment.
An interesting side note, one of the companies they contacted is the same company we got our uranium from used to build the 2 bombs dropped on Japan in WW2.
4) The liberation of Iraq from Saddam would create an opportunity for democracy to gain a foothold in the Middle East, which hopefully will improve freedom and security not just in the region but hopefully in the world.

I'm off to bed but I'll continue with a few more reasons tomorrow.


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realdeal   John Kerry... In his own words   09/09/04 11:51pm
Hoods   flip flop   09/12/04 4:31am
realdeal   Now Hoods... you know better than that.   09/12/04 5:51am
Hard Drive   That was a good point Hoods. Very good point.   09/12/04 12:16pm
realdeal   A good point? Not at all. This has already been ...   09/12/04 12:40pm
Blakjak   Iraq is a load of shit and you know it Real, and y...   09/12/04 2:26pm
xl-FLAME-lx   Black that bull and you know it. Blair does suppor...   09/12/04 3:43pm
realdeal   BJ, your taking what I said out of context. Going...   09/12/04 4:20pm
Hard Drive   Protect what Flame? Sadam was NO THREAT TO THE ...   09/12/04 4:41pm
Hard Drive   Wake up Flame, Iraq will never be liberated becau...   09/12/04 4:45pm
Hard Drive   Last reply. Everyone is saying that they are defe...   09/12/04 4:49pm
realdeal   Hard, you've mentioned that we went there for ...   09/12/04 5:19pm
Blakjak   Ok so I misunderstood you Real, let me make myself...   09/12/04 8:10pm
Hoods   lol   09/12/04 9:42pm
Hard Drive   Real, What other reason was there? If we went in ...   09/12/04 10:32pm
realdeal   Seriously, let's say we went in for oil. Wh...   09/12/04 10:34pm
Hard Drive   No. But that does mean that he bullied his way in...   09/12/04 10:40pm
realdeal   Osama will be caught. Very soon. Just my predict...   09/12/04 10:49pm
Hard Drive   I cant vote for Bush off of your predictions. I j...   09/12/04 11:47pm
Druid   We are in Iraq for a wide variety of reasons, one ...   09/13/04 3:13am
Soul Assassins   Money and the Federal reserve was the reasoning in...   09/13/04 9:57am
Hoods   Whenever bush tells him. lol   09/13/04 2:49pm
Blakjak   Why did Bush not act on this information earlier D...   09/13/04 4:03pm
Silver   Gee it could have been that saddam was supporting ...   09/13/04 4:42pm
Johnzillah   Cold_Beer was there and he made this post and it t...   09/13/04 4:49pm
Silver   that was good... :D   09/13/04 4:58pm
Johnzillah   LOL   09/13/04 6:42pm
Johnzillah   [FONT=Geneva][size=14]FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLO...   09/17/04 5:43pm
Silver   i just wanted to http://img.photobucket.com/albu...   09/17/04 9:06pm
KingCobra   Hard drive check your pm   09/17/04 9:43pm
Hard Drive   Gee it could have been that saddam was supporting ...   09/17/04 9:43pm
Hard Drive   News Flash! Still no WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUC...   09/17/04 9:45pm
KingCobra   check your pm hard drive lol   09/17/04 9:46pm
Blakjak   So what is it guys? Is it arms dealing, or terror...   09/17/04 9:55pm
Blakjak   I forgt this- Druid I read recently that there we ...   09/17/04 9:59pm
Druid   On the WMD issue there are several possiblities. 1...   09/18/04 2:24pm


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