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post 07/03/05 4:06pm
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If anybody has acces to the NY Times magazine available with the sunday NY Times should read the article about separation of church and state in there, it's a very interesting proposal.


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post 07/04/05 10:41am
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I found the coercion argument very convincing. I previosuly was very confused about this topic, even after having done a semester's worth of reasearch on it for a competition. This article was not only informative but also seemed to be aimed at reconciling the nation, something lacking these days. I should post an article written by a friend on mine published in the AJC editorial, it's along those same lines.


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According to Feldman, I fall under the legal secularist category. From my point of view, as a reasonable citizen, Feldman's proposal makes sense and I'd be willing to support it so long as I am assured that those on the other side of the debate are people like me, reasonable citizens. Most reasonable people seem to get along fine despite their differences.

But I am not so sure that we are all reasonable. I am not so sure that allowing public symbols but restricting public finance would satisfy either side, especially the values evangelists, because I do not trust those who lead them. The last thing on Pat Robertson's mind is inclusion.

You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 14, 1991

That's in reference to his fellow Christians. Now, one can write off Pat Robertson as an extremist, but that would be dangerous, since he garners the support of millions of people, people who I feel would, if they had the chance, marginalize people like me in a heartbeat. Thus, the only defense, from the legal secularist point of view, is to be vigilant and resolute in the courts.

Earlier I said that I would support Feldman's argument on practical terms, but it is indeed a sacrifice made in the name of reconciliation. If public symbols mean so much to the religous right, how can one so easily dismiss their importance to the irreligious?






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Blakjak   NY Times Magazine article   07/03/05 4:06pm
holden_caulfield   Didn't they just start charging customers to...   07/03/05 4:55pm
Blakjak   I get the actual paper, no idea about online.   07/03/05 6:24pm
Druid   holden_caulfield you can register for free to read...   07/04/05 12:43am
holden_caulfield   Thanks Druid. I used my existing account. (I could...   07/04/05 1:04am
Druid   Holden BJ is talking about this http://www.nytimes...   07/04/05 2:27am
Blakjak   I found the coercion argument very convincing. I ...   07/04/05 10:41am
holden_caulfield   According to Feldman, I fall under the legal secul...   07/04/05 3:55pm
Blakjak   Holden it's just a matter of coercion. I woul...   07/06/05 3:58pm
holden_caulfield   This is somewhat oblique, but I never understood t...   07/06/05 8:41pm
Silver   group prayer = stronger faith (i guess) im not b...   07/06/05 11:32pm
Frosty   Group prayer is about unity among Christians. A gr...   07/07/05 4:21am
Druid   We have openly discussed politics forever, now we ...   07/07/05 4:40am
Frosty   It is actually possible to have a civil discussion...   07/07/05 9:19am
Silver   i wasnt talking i was rattling...sorry ill leave n...   07/07/05 10:35am
holden_caulfield   Opiate for the masses is all it is...   07/08/05 2:45pm
Frosty   And Marxism never worked....   07/08/05 8:37pm
holden_caulfield   Actually, communism never worked.   07/09/05 12:46am
holden_caulfield   And I wasn't making a dig at all you religious...   07/09/05 12:48am
Frosty   And Marxism has succeeded? That's actually a...   07/09/05 9:46am
holden_caulfield   Oh I don't know about that. I was taught that ...   07/10/05 8:11am
Frosty   Oh, yes. Especially in Latin America, Marxist infl...   07/10/05 8:28am
holden_caulfield   Yeah I completely agree with. Marx didn't unde...   07/10/05 10:10am
Blakjak   That was communism's greatest downfall, beside...   07/10/05 11:58am
Frosty   lmao, too funny! And yes, Communist literatu...   07/10/05 1:01pm
holden_caulfield   Freud could BS his way around anything and keep ...   07/10/05 1:14pm


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