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Frosty
post 07/07/05 4:12pm
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So, how about the bombings in London today?

I'll tell you how I felt. I was filled with rage when I heard about them. I think 9/11 scared me because it was here on U.S. soil, but this pisses me off, maybe just because it's too far away for me to be immediately scared. I do not understand how people can do things like that. Last I heard the death toll was over 40, but that was this morning. 40 civilians.... I know it's nothing compared to 9-11, but still. The cowardice that it must take to kill innocent people to support a cause....

And what makes it worse is in my mind, I can see someone about 4 years from now telling everyone that it was the British government that planted all the bombs.... Sickening.

Sorry if I offended anyone.


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post 07/08/05 4:43pm
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What you say about the terrorist attacks is true, Real. Islamic radicals are probably responsible for over 90% of the terrorist attacks in this day and age. But it is not fair to the other Muslims to exterminate a huge portion of them. Look at all the Muslims who support the U.S. in Iraq. It's such a small percentage of them who actually support the terror movement....

This issue strikes me close to the heart. One of my best friends is a Muslim. I know him pretty well, and he would never even think about doing such things. He is embarrased and apalled that these radicals have done such horrible things in the name of his religion. So, where's the justice our nation stands for if he is killed becasue he is a muslim? It's gone, and the terror worked, plain and simple.

I am a Christian. A conservative, some may even say "fundamentalist Christian." I hate that people have done sick things in Christ's name. The Crusades, fierce anti-Semitism, murders of abortion doctors, money scams.... But if Christianity were deemed a dangerous belief system because of the things those people have done, would justice be served if I were punished for them?

In a sense, it's kind of like dealing with hacks in a video game. No matter what anti-cheat measures are put into place, the hacker will find away around them to strike. It's really the same with terrorism. No matter how well a nation prepares its security, the advantage goes to the terrorist. He can watch, learn, and wait until the moment is right to attack. The only way it will end is if the value system of the terrorists themselves changes. As it is, to them, even if nothing else is gained, causing pain and death to innocent people under the governments they oppose is satisfaction enough. There is no respect for human life, only a militaristic push for the free reign of Islam.

The reason we have to stand up is that it will not stop in the Middle East. Right now, the war is to drive the "infidels" from their homeland. They get this from their interpretation of the Koran's teachings (I will be politically correct and refer to it as their interpretation, despite the fact that they seem to actually follow the example of Islam's "founder"). Say they succeed, and the entire Middle East is Islamic exactly the way they want it to be. Will they be happy? No.

It is a religious and "moralistic" war they fight. It's a sick, twisted moralism, but that is how they perceive it. They will not stop, but will continue the quest to drive the "infidels" from the planet, for that is their religious duty. To create a world entirely dedicated to Allah, or whatever. No religious freedom, and no tolerance. Be a devout Muslim, or die.

These views are not the views of your ordinary Muslim, don't get me wrong. That would be like saying that every Christian wants to see gays, abortion doctors, muslims and jews slaughtered. But there is a small, albeit very active and determined, percentage of people who do hold them, and they are very dangerous and need to be stopped somehow. But in doing so, as holden said, we can't abandon the values of the Constitution. Then we lose. Doesn't that suck?


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QUOTE(Frosty @ 07/08/05 5:43pm)
This issue strikes me close to the heart. One of my best friends is a Muslim. I know him pretty well, and he would never even think about doing such things. He is embarrased and apalled that these radicals have done such horrible things in the name of his religion.
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Then he and the rest of the so-called "embarassed" Muslims need to speak out and condemn all of these attacks. They need to be vigiliant within their own communities and weed out the radicals among them.

They haven't done this. Sure, a few have, but not nearly enough.

If the Muslims started to cry out and speak out against these attacks, that would surely be a good start. But it's not happening.


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Frosty   I'll bring it up....   07/07/05 4:12pm
realdeal   Time to bring out the nukes. ENOUGH talking alrea...   07/07/05 4:25pm
All over but the Crying   This is exactly the kind of kneejerk reaction t...   07/08/05 6:53am
TheGhost   This is exactly the kind of kneejerk reaction t...   07/08/05 6:57am
holden_caulfield   This is exactly the kind of kneejerk reaction t...   07/08/05 7:16am
realdeal   This is exactly the kind of kneejerk reaction t...   07/08/05 10:23am
holden_caulfield   Well, you're right. Throwing away the Consti...   07/08/05 10:32am
TheGhost   Finally, someone i agree with. Real, you are da...   07/08/05 10:33am
holden_caulfield   This is exactly the kind of kneejerk reaction t...   07/08/05 10:39am
realdeal   And there my friend lies the problem..... You...   07/08/05 11:24am
holden_caulfield   Yeah Real, I'm sure all those muslim-america...   07/08/05 11:29am
holden_caulfield   We tend to think only of ourselves in times of c...   07/08/05 11:36am
realdeal   We tend to think only of ourselves in times of c...   07/08/05 11:46am
holden_caulfield   We tend to think only of ourselves in times of c...   07/08/05 11:50am
Opeth   This is exactly the kind of kneejerk reaction t...   07/08/05 5:31pm
realdeal   Rather than trying to insult Opeth, why not add...   07/08/05 5:37pm
Opeth   Rather than trying to insult Opeth, why not add...   07/08/05 5:41pm
realdeal   Rather than trying to insult Opeth, why not add...   07/08/05 5:43pm
Opeth   Rather than trying to insult Opeth, why not add...   07/08/05 5:48pm
realdeal   Ahh... then what if the US formally declares w...   07/08/05 5:52pm
realdeal   Forgot to mention, internment anyone?   07/07/05 5:51pm
Undertow   I'll 2nd that one!!!!!...   07/08/05 12:25pm
Silver   wait..ill get a head start on Too Exclusive.... IT...   07/07/05 5:55pm
TheGhost   yeah just break out the Atom bombs and drop 'e...   07/07/05 5:58pm
*Triggahappy13*   told it like it is man   07/08/05 12:51am
*AtimA*   how do they like it now........? they basically ...   07/08/05 3:01am
holden_caulfield   Atima, that's pretty stupid and insensitive ...   07/08/05 7:03am
Bargod   Here was the naive liberal response of my wife... ...   07/08/05 3:41am
holden_caulfield   I must have missed the liberal newsletter explai...   07/08/05 6:30am
Druid   Bargod I know what you mean about your wife. I...   07/08/05 4:55am
TheGhost   Hey, who are you to tell me to grow up? Everyone i...   07/08/05 7:47am
holden_caulfield   So everyone is entitled to their own opinion but...   07/08/05 10:04am
holden_caulfield   And jesus, I'm pretty sure RealDeal wasn't...   07/08/05 10:05am
TheGhost   Read the whole post before you reply. I said th...   07/08/05 10:23am
holden_caulfield   There's always a but... and I'm sensing ...   07/08/05 10:34am
holden_caulfield   I think behemoth said something about it being poi...   07/08/05 10:37am
Frosty   Another thing I hate is that attacks like these dr...   07/08/05 9:34am
TheGhost   1. There will always be a divide no matter what ...   07/08/05 9:47am
Ice_Cold   i disagree i say bring out big bertha and if th...   07/08/05 10:07am
Silver   i have an awesome idea....lets start a holy war......   07/08/05 10:09am
TheGhost   I agree 100% Silver. Same thing my dad said, Mak...   07/08/05 10:14am
TheGhost   hey holden, this is for you. You say we can...   07/08/05 10:19am
Silver   i dont see realdeal planting bombs on busses or tr...   07/08/05 10:52am
holden_caulfield   You need to seriously think about what you'r...   07/08/05 11:44am
Silver   hummm you hold a valid reason and a very important...   07/08/05 11:42am
Silver   who was on the planes? terrorist that recived help...   07/08/05 12:03pm
All over but the Crying   By all means, we should Nuke Buffalo. :rolleyes...   07/08/05 1:33pm
Silver   a over head view of the compound...sorry to post a...   07/08/05 12:34pm
Druid   This is completely apples to oranges here. I don...   07/08/05 12:43pm
holden_caulfield   I don't see why it's so difficult to see...   07/08/05 2:40pm
Silver   HELL YES!!! but we shouldnt be giving ...   07/08/05 1:40pm
TheGhost   NO.   07/08/05 1:41pm
realdeal   I thought I was pretty specific. how much more sp...   07/08/05 4:11pm
Frosty   What you say about the terrorist attacks is true, ...   07/08/05 4:43pm
realdeal   Then he and the rest of the so-called "emb...   07/08/05 5:41pm
TheGhost   Hey, the bombings of Hirsoshima and Nagasaki showe...   07/08/05 5:48pm
Opeth   How about after the US nukes the middle east The U...   07/08/05 6:18pm
realdeal   Very enlightning Opeth. Maybe it will take for...   07/08/05 6:21pm
holden_caulfield   :lol:   07/09/05 12:16am
Silver   i could see internment, and like i have said 100 t...   07/08/05 6:35pm
holden_caulfield   For sheer length, that's an impressive list Re...   07/08/05 8:49pm
realdeal   Good lord. WTF are you talking about? MY stand...   07/08/05 10:02pm
holden_caulfield   They already have. A fact? Or an assertion by...   07/08/05 11:56pm
holden_caulfield   Yea RD. I'm posting from Palestine as we spe...   07/08/05 11:58pm
Silver   so then define american?   07/08/05 9:19pm
realdeal   Your last post proves one thing. You are the type...   07/09/05 12:24am
holden_caulfield   Nobody said not to be afraid. I said fear running ...   07/09/05 12:32am
holden_caulfield   I'll be honest with you Real. I don't have...   07/09/05 12:40am
realdeal   Does what I posted in this thread make me a raci...   07/09/05 12:52am
holden_caulfield   Yes, making a distinction between two equally lega...   07/09/05 1:39am
realdeal   Way to skirt around my points ;) Typical.   07/09/05 9:17am
holden_caulfield   Actually Real, you are the one who is going off ...   07/09/05 10:29am
holden_caulfield   However, I suppose you wanted to talk about Hirosh...   07/09/05 10:57am
ReJecT   i am with RD on this one all the way... i think i ...   07/09/05 4:16am
Druid   A little off the current topic but I wanted to rep...   07/09/05 4:41am
holden_caulfield   Speech CAN be equated to actions. Sign language ...   07/09/05 7:41am
TheGhost   Speech CAN be equated to actions. Sign language ...   07/09/05 8:13am
holden_caulfield   Umm. No. But you're welcome to try. Anyon...   07/09/05 8:28am
holden_caulfield   I just love how you capitalized "Revolution...   07/09/05 8:34am
Frosty   Flag burning- I think that burning the flag should...   07/09/05 10:14am
realdeal   :blahblah: When we get hit again I hope it's ...   07/09/05 11:34am
Silver   you know what gets me is that you touch on alot of...   07/09/05 11:35am
realdeal   Now I KNOW I'm wasting my time.... http://www...   07/09/05 11:46am
TheGhost   Real i could've told you that. Holden Caulfie...   07/09/05 1:09pm
holden_caulfield   Well I guess this fun little trip to crazyland is ...   07/09/05 2:24pm
Silver   wow no shit...there is little that would level a ...   07/09/05 3:21pm
realdeal   Let me play military commander for a minute... ...   07/09/05 3:39pm
All over but the Crying   wow no shit...there is little that would level a ...   07/10/05 5:34am
holden_caulfield   You seriously play one on tv?   07/10/05 8:13am
realdeal   Was that really necessary?   07/10/05 11:49am
<Dolphin>*Girl*   This just goes to show the lack of intelligence ...   07/10/05 9:11am
holden_caulfield   Hello Dolphin. You must be new here. Allow me to c...   07/10/05 9:30am
realdeal   So right off the bat he has judged you and every...   07/10/05 11:55am
holden_caulfield   Ok Rd, let me offer a hypothetical. What if--just ...   07/10/05 11:59am
Flashgirl   Interesting. I just popped into this post this m...   07/09/05 11:46am
Druid   As for the flag burning part of the topic I consid...   07/09/05 12:38pm
Frosty   But I bet no one would look twice if a Bible wer...   07/09/05 12:43pm
Silver   But I bet no one would look twice if a Bible wer...   07/09/05 1:39pm
Silver   you know what...i have burned flags as a way to ...   07/09/05 1:37pm
Blakjak   Unfortunately if we use nuclear warfare in the Mid...   07/10/05 11:54am
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