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post 07/03/05 4:06pm
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If anybody has acces to the NY Times magazine available with the sunday NY Times should read the article about separation of church and state in there, it's a very interesting proposal.


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And Marxism never worked....


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Actually, communism never worked.
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QUOTE(holden_caulfield @ 07/09/05 12:46am)
Actually, communism never worked.
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And Marxism has succeeded? That's actually an honest question; I know it's not strictly a form of government, but many have argued that while communism has failed, Marxism would work.


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Oh I don't know about that. I was taught that Marxism is strictly an ideology, whereas communism is its implementation (sad attempts for the most part). Most people remember his socio-political philosophy, and those are the terms that stick with us--means of production, superstructure and base, proletariat, etc. But he also had a very interesting idea of how human history unfolded, how it was cyclic and yet, at the same time, not cyclic.

A few quarters back I took a class on literary criticism and I was surprised to find out that not only has Marxism has heavily influenced contemporary literary criticism, but that its influence continues to this day. Marxist theorists are a dime a dozen, so I hear.

So to me Marxism hasn't completely failed. Though his final vision was flawed, the ideas that got him there are still being used today.

There was an awesome website which described this literary school (and lots of other literary schools), but I lost it. Sloppy seconds will have to do.

Maybe ML knows more about Marx? Just a guess.
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Blakjak   NY Times Magazine article   07/03/05 4:06pm
holden_caulfield   Didn't they just start charging customers to...   07/03/05 4:55pm
Blakjak   I get the actual paper, no idea about online.   07/03/05 6:24pm
Druid   holden_caulfield you can register for free to read...   07/04/05 12:43am
holden_caulfield   Thanks Druid. I used my existing account. (I could...   07/04/05 1:04am
Druid   Holden BJ is talking about this http://www.nytimes...   07/04/05 2:27am
Blakjak   I found the coercion argument very convincing. I ...   07/04/05 10:41am
holden_caulfield   According to Feldman, I fall under the legal secul...   07/04/05 3:55pm
Blakjak   Holden it's just a matter of coercion. I woul...   07/06/05 3:58pm
holden_caulfield   This is somewhat oblique, but I never understood t...   07/06/05 8:41pm
Silver   group prayer = stronger faith (i guess) im not b...   07/06/05 11:32pm
Frosty   Group prayer is about unity among Christians. A gr...   07/07/05 4:21am
Druid   We have openly discussed politics forever, now we ...   07/07/05 4:40am
Frosty   It is actually possible to have a civil discussion...   07/07/05 9:19am
Silver   i wasnt talking i was rattling...sorry ill leave n...   07/07/05 10:35am
holden_caulfield   Opiate for the masses is all it is...   07/08/05 2:45pm
Frosty   And Marxism never worked....   07/08/05 8:37pm
holden_caulfield   Actually, communism never worked.   07/09/05 12:46am
holden_caulfield   And I wasn't making a dig at all you religious...   07/09/05 12:48am
Frosty   And Marxism has succeeded? That's actually a...   07/09/05 9:46am
holden_caulfield   Oh I don't know about that. I was taught that ...   07/10/05 8:11am
Frosty   Oh, yes. Especially in Latin America, Marxist infl...   07/10/05 8:28am
holden_caulfield   Yeah I completely agree with. Marx didn't unde...   07/10/05 10:10am
Blakjak   That was communism's greatest downfall, beside...   07/10/05 11:58am
Frosty   lmao, too funny! And yes, Communist literatu...   07/10/05 1:01pm
holden_caulfield   Freud could BS his way around anything and keep ...   07/10/05 1:14pm


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