 The Patriot Act Uncovered, Welcome to a police state |
| cypher |
 08/18/05 2:50pm
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First, let me preface this post by saying that personally I don't think the civil rights afforded to citizens of this great country should be extended to non-citizens. I don't believe that anybody entering this country, legally or otherwise, deserves the same rights as somebody born here until they have proven to be an adequate addition to civilized society. In my opinion, if you come to this country and behave in a manner that is any less than eternally grateful that we took you in, you deserve a lifetime deportation after a year in a maximum security prison.
Having said that, I was mortified to fully comprehend the rights and priveledges taken away from me, a 5th generation US citizen, by the passage of The Patriot Act. I highly suggest that all of you watch the film 'Unconstitutional: The War on Our Civil Liberties'. It airs at the following dates/times on DirectTV. 08.28 - 09:00AM (Sundance Channel) 08.28 - 10:20PM (Sundance Channel) 08.31 - 05:00AM (Sundance Channel) After watching this, I don't know who to fear... Cypher |
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| realdeal |
08/31/05 11:12am
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Hmmmm... But if I am a good American citizen with nothing to hide... does it really matter?
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| holden_caulfield |
08/31/05 3:33pm
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QUOTE(realdeal @ 08/31/05 11:12am) Hmmmm... But if I am a good American citizen with nothing to hide... does it really matter?  Yes. |
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| realdeal |
08/31/05 9:22pm
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QUOTE(holden_caulfield @ 08/31/05 4:33pm) QUOTE(realdeal @ 08/31/05 11:12am) Hmmmm... But if I am a good American citizen with nothing to hide... does it really matter? Yes. How so? So they can see what library books I borrow? -------------------- |
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| holden_caulfield |
09/01/05 12:53am
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Second Lieutenant Group: Forum Member Posts: 211 Joined: February 2nd 2005 From: silicon valley Member No.: 1051 |
QUOTE(realdeal @ 08/31/05 9:22pm) QUOTE(holden_caulfield @ 08/31/05 4:33pm) QUOTE(realdeal @ 08/31/05 11:12am) Hmmmm... But if I am a good American citizen with nothing to hide... does it really matter? Yes. How so? So they can see what library books I borrow? I think, like someone before has said, that you place way too much trust in this administration. There is nobody to ensure that the government does not abuse this power. Under the PA, American citizens can be charged in military tribunals, and not federal courts, which means that the process will be secret, and that many of the rights normally granted them would be taken away. Theoretically, that is very scary. I do not trust this government, or any government for that matter, with that kind of power. Sorry. In the big scope of things, looking at which books I check from the library out is not a big deal, and if that was all it took to make these problems go away, I would gladly give that freedom up. People like to ridicule those who criticize the patriot act by saying, "If you care so much about terror, why do you care so much about something so trivial like library books?" But it's the principle of it all. If our civil rights are violated in any way, small or large, it would open the door and justify other "sacrifices" we would have to make. And again, half of us just doesn't trust this administration. my 2 c. |
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You have entirely too much trust in the govern... 08/31/05 11:46am Silver what if one of your friends isnt? the tie betwen y... 08/31/05 11:24am Too Exclusive http://www.infowars.com/pdfs/patriot2-hi.pdf
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Heck maybe I was wrong, and there really was some... 09/01/05 2:25pm Druid
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that definitely happened, but it wasnt a muslim. ... 09/11/05 9:04am realdeal
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