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post 10/04/05 6:30pm
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Today, I am announcing that I am quitting {MOB}[Regs]. This is long overdue.

{MOB}{Regs] was the first clan that I ever belonged to. I am what is known as a "mature" player in the gaming community: married with three kids, I own a house, and I graduated from college. So, I may not have been the best fit from the start. A member of my family, a person who plays computer games under the name Mona Lisa, encouraged me to join. I love the competition from online gaming, and one day I hope to play again with another group that may share my same philosophies: namely, that you can have fun without spewing hate.

I can only trust that my comments which follow will not be censored and will be afforded the same privileges by the site administrator as were given to those who created my reasons for leaving in the first place. I am quitting because I believe these forums have become a dangerous place where hate and aggression flourish and are encouraged to breed and grow. I don't fear for my life, but I do fear for yours. I fear for what your lives may become if this atmosphere of hate is not checked.

Some examples:

A forum post:

"Mona why don't you do us all a favor and put your mouth around a 12 ga."
A person who plays games under the name {MOB} Ice Cold.


Another post:

"hey mona lisa

how about this

just fucking die”

Another by the same person:

“you're a god damn idiot.

your a dumb bitch and i hope you die by stoning; dumb cunt."
A person who plays games under the name {MOB} Redeemer.

Another:

"YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE!!!? People who think they can forecast the weather!!! Like just the other day, this punk i know was saying 'Yeah tomorrow we are gonna get like, 2 feet of snow in just a few hours. They were saying its gonna be the biggest snow in ten years.... And that day we get an inch of snow.... I feel like getting a baseball bat, breaking it over his head, and then STABBING him with the broken end!!!!"
My dead neighbor from Littleton, CO, Eric Harris.

On April 20, 1999, I lived by myself on a cul-de-sac in the small, suburban town of Littleton, Colorado. It was there that two high-school seniors, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, enacted an all-out assault on Columbine High School during the middle of the school day. I didn't know them personally, but I had seen them and their group, the Trench Coat Mafia, walking around the neighborhood. They dressed in black, and seemed odd. I had moved there from downtown Denver where in the fourteen years I was there, 10 people had been murdered within a two block radius of my house -- including the man across the street that was stabbed 114 times. Happy to be out of that environment, I was oblivious to the kids of the suburbs; they seemed harmless.

They were gamers -- just like us.

Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were both intelligent, came from solid homes with two parents, and had older brothers who were three years their senior. In elementary school, Klebold and Harris had both played in sports such as baseball and soccer. Both enjoyed working with computers. Klebold and Harris seemed to spend their time doing normal teenager activities. They worked together in a local pizza parlor, liked to play Doom in the afternoons, and worried about finding a date to the prom. For all outward appearances, the boys looked like normal teenagers. Looking back, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris obviously weren't your average teenagers. They were angry teenagers. They were not only angry at athletes that made fun of them, or Christians, or blacks; they basically hated everyone except for a handful of people.

On the front page of Eric Harris's journal, he wrote:
"I hate the fucking world."

Harris also wrote that he hated racists, martial arts experts, and people who brag about their cars.
Here's some more remarks Eric said:
"You know what I hate? Star Wars fans: get a friggin life, you boring geeks.

You know what I hate? People who mispronounce words, like 'acrost,' and 'pacific' for 'specific,' and 'expresso' instead of 'espresso.'

You know what I hate? People who drive slow in the fast lane, God these people do not know how to drive.

You know what I hate? The WB network!!!! Oh Jesus, Mary Mother of God Almighty, I hate that channel with all my heart and soul."

Both Klebold and Harris were serious about acting out on this hate. As early as spring 1998, they wrote about killing and retaliation in each other's yearbooks, including an image of a man standing with a gun, surrounded by dead bodies, with the caption, "The only reason your still alive is because someone has decided to let you live." Klebold and Harris used the Internet to find recipes for pipe bombs and other explosives. They amassed an arsenal, which eventually included guns, knives, and 99 explosive devices. No one can say for sure why Klebold and Harris committed such a horrific crime. Many people have come up with theories including being picked on in school, violent video games (Doom), violent movies (Natural Born Killers), music, racism, Goth, problematic parents, depression, and more. Looking back, there were telltale hints and clues that something was seriously wrong. Videotapes, journals, guns and bombs in their rooms would have been easily found if the parents had looked.

Harris had made a website with hateful epithets that could have been followed up on.
Looking back, the clues were there. The obsession with weapons, war and death. The endless rounds of bloody computer games. The vicious rantings on the Internet. That's where the lives of Harris and Klebold intersected: in front of a computer. Klebold planned to study computer science. They were die-hard gamers. Harris always had top-of-the-line equipment, even when they first met as freshmen four years earlier. Together, they gamed, they hacked, they created and modified programs. They found power through technology. Even when the two wrote their violent, morbid poems and essays, some classmates saw it as nothing more than creative license fueled by teen-age angst. "It's a creative-writing class," Michele Fox said. "You write about what you want. Shakespeare wrote all about death."

{MOB}Redeemer posted referring to Mona Lisa:

"would you like me to be more complex?

your a dumb bitch and i hope you die by stoning; dumb cunt."

And another by {MOB}Redeemer about Mona Lisa:

"death threats. it was simply wishful thinking and hopes that she will leave. forever. and not go out of her way to change her ip to come back to us."

I didn't bother searching the many other posts that have been made here with similar beliefs. In my case, these remarks were enough. When I asked the site administrator to close the topic bashing Mona Lisa and Shane, I was told, basically, that it would be against their practice of allowing freedom of the speech to do so. Freedom becomes more dangerous when shrouded in anominoty. Now, I'm starting to doubt my purist First Amendment beliefs. The Web has strengthened freedom, but it also has made it more dangerous. Now, teen-agers can go on the Web, read hate literature, look at pornography, gamble, play bloody cybergames and learn how to make a bomb. And many parents, not computer-literate, stand by bragging as their kids "play on the computer."

I wonder how many of your parents know what you are reading here. Eric and Dylan’s parents would have found guns under the bed, bombs in the garage, and hate on their computers if they had bothered to look. I also wonder if I may be the only person who is disgusted with the hate found here on the MOB forums. Here on these forums, people hate campers, and hate hackers, hate other clans, hate people who correct their grammar or criticize their writing skills, and especially, it would appear, they hate people who won’t go away.

In hindsight, signs leading up to the killings in Littleton were obvious -- to the ones who did nothing but watched and listened -- I say, “how could you?” As Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold went about killing a dozen of my neighbors, I watched from a distance, wishing I could have helped. Now, six years later, I am trying here today to make up for it. I am not trying to infer that these guys who I quote here are capable of that kind of violence, but writing of this sort may attract those who are. Please stop writing hate; exercise some control over those who do, and begin embracing your gaming brothers as friends instead of suggesting they die by a violent death.

Adios,

Ramos
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post 10/07/05 4:54pm
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You couldn't pay me enough...anyone got a foot long? I'm craving some barbeque. biggrin.gif


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post 10/07/05 9:21pm
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QUOTE(Isis @ 10/07/05 5:54pm) *

You couldn't pay me enough...anyone got a foot long? I'm craving some barbeque. biggrin.gif



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Ramos   I am quitting {MOB}[Regs]   10/04/05 6:30pm
Ice_Cold   well Ramos, I am sorry to see you go. and for your...   10/04/05 6:48pm
cypher   A very poignant post Ramos. I understand your con...   10/04/05 8:06pm
The_redeemer   everyone says things that are rash, and which to t...   10/04/05 8:29pm
Bargod   Sorry to see you go, Ramos. I'll see you in F...   10/04/05 8:43pm
XYZ Factor   however, its been real pedagogical of you to show...   10/04/05 8:45pm
realdeal   Sorry to see you go Ramos but I expected this. I a...   10/04/05 8:45pm
Undertow   Well, later Ramos. I kinda figured this was commin...   10/04/05 9:15pm
Ramos   An you have the audacity to come here and pr...   10/04/05 9:44pm
realdeal   An you have the audacity to come here and p...   10/04/05 9:46pm
realdeal   Ramos, allow me to post yet ANOTHER fine example o...   10/04/05 9:59pm
Vader   Ramos can you honestly say youve never said you we...   10/04/05 9:59pm
Ramos   for all i care *which i dont* mona gets what he...   10/04/05 11:11pm
Leadmagnet   for all i care *which i dont* mona gets what h...   10/05/05 5:26am
PISTOFFBAD   Sorry to see you go Ramos. Can't say that I bl...   10/04/05 11:11pm
realdeal   Sorry to see you go Ramos. Can't say that I b...   10/04/05 11:14pm
PISTOFFBAD   Realdeal, you know this goes back a lot farther th...   10/04/05 11:20pm
realdeal   Realdeal, you know this goes back a lot farther t...   10/04/05 11:24pm
The_redeemer   ramos, i do agree with you everyone has the righ...   10/04/05 11:21pm
Maj. H8Red   everyone here is guilty of being hateful :whistl...   10/05/05 2:25am
Bargod   I may have been hateful once, maybe...   10/04/05 11:24pm
PISTOFFBAD   Sorry, I'm just too old to understand.   10/04/05 11:30pm
Ramos   ramos, i do agree with you everyone has the rig...   10/04/05 11:47pm
Big P   Cya BUD!! Like forrest gump would say...SH...   10/05/05 12:01am
Rocker   well, considering that all of the above games ...   10/05/05 8:40am
Leadmagnet   well, considering that all of the above games...   10/05/05 10:12am
Ramos   I have perused the "bash ML" posts and...   10/05/05 11:11am
Bargod   Ramos, I hate to see you leave like this, and I...   10/05/05 11:44am
Ramos   Ramos, I hate to see you leave like this, and I...   10/05/05 12:13pm
Bargod   Diesel and El Peruvian are two others that bring o...   10/05/05 2:09pm
Leadmagnet   Diesel and El Peruvian are two others that bring ...   10/06/05 6:49am
Rocker   Lead, if you consider standing up and saying ...   10/05/05 2:22pm
Leadmagnet   Lead, if you consider standing up and saying ...   10/06/05 6:33am
PISTOFFBAD   Rocker, you have "spin doctored" my r...   10/06/05 3:35pm
Leadmagnet   Rocker, you have "spin doctored" my ...   10/07/05 5:54am
Ramos   So, is the problem the guys that are on the forum...   10/05/05 2:31pm
Ktulu   I agree with some of what you have said Ramos and ...   10/05/05 2:50pm
Vader   Deisel, El P, and ML all instigated stuff that pis...   10/05/05 2:52pm
PISTOFFBAD   Bargod, why was Diesel tolerated for as long as he...   10/05/05 3:40pm
Bargod   Don't get me wrong, generally he was fun. But...   10/05/05 4:26pm
realdeal   One thing I give Diesel and Elp credit for -- they...   10/05/05 6:59pm
*AtimA*   C ya ramos u were a good friend to me and even tho...   10/05/05 11:46pm
Isis   "Don't start no shit, won't be no shi...   10/05/05 7:28pm
ReJecT   you just quoted lil john...lmao   10/05/05 7:43pm
Isis   Fo sheezy!   10/05/05 7:54pm
Diabolik=VX9=   Hating on a person isn't cool but neither is c...   10/05/05 11:16pm
Maddcapp   Ramos, what makes you think you can take your mora...   10/05/05 11:44pm
Ramos   Ramos, what makes you think you can take your mor...   10/06/05 12:38am
Ice_Cold   Congrats on Making }MM{   10/06/05 2:34pm
Ramos   Congrats on Making }MM{ Thank you. I'm loo...   10/06/05 2:46pm
|$aucy|   = = > MM   10/06/05 3:15pm
Vader   Ok I'd say a signifigant percentage of the pos...   10/06/05 3:49pm
Isis   Thanks Diabolik! Get Crunk! Yayayaya...   10/06/05 3:51pm
PISTOFFBAD   Being a teenager once I have said things I didn...   10/06/05 4:02pm
Vader   ML didn't do anything to you personally, but M...   10/06/05 4:13pm
Vader   I just hope some of you don't have any kids ...   10/06/05 4:32pm
ReJecT   vader, stop making a further noob of yourself. ;)...   10/06/05 6:08pm
XYZ Factor   btw, with bullet into MOB now and POB and Ramos g...   10/06/05 6:18pm
Ramos   ...then fuck you... V Vader, as much as I want...   10/06/05 6:47pm
BULLET   Ramos,Ive always liked you and thought you were a ...   10/06/05 6:56pm
Ramos   Ramos,Ive always liked you and thought you were a...   10/06/05 7:25pm
*Triggahappy13*   Today, I am announcing that I am quitting {MOB}[R...   10/06/05 7:38pm
xl-FLAME-lx   Hope I affended no one. Take care and maybe some ...   10/06/05 8:04pm
Vader   Sorry ramos and POB, when i post stuff like that...   10/06/05 8:21pm
ReJecT   i forgive you but dont make any more mistakes or i...   10/06/05 8:56pm
Ramos   i forgive you but dont make any more mistakes or ...   10/06/05 9:05pm
<<753Shadow>>   Good luck to both of u guys! B)   10/07/05 1:37am
Rocker   Sheesh Lead , spill the beans...who is this nemesi...   10/07/05 6:28am
Leadmagnet   Sheesh Lead , spill the beans...who is this nemes...   10/07/05 7:49am
McGuinty   So, I'm reading this thread and it hits me. Th...   10/07/05 8:25am
Maj. H8Red   So, I'm reading this thread and it hits me. T...   10/07/05 11:16am
Leadmagnet   So, I'm reading this thread and it hits me. ...   10/07/05 12:50pm
William Wallace   Goodbye and good luck to both of you Ramos and POB...   10/07/05 9:12am
big-k   hum im not a member here but it sounds like some o...   10/07/05 10:05am
Ramos   Goodbye and good luck to both of you Ramos and PO...   10/07/05 10:39am
Ramos   .. good luck with more imporntant things! th...   10/07/05 11:05am
Skippee (your pal)   WEll I post so I can watch <------------- HER...   10/07/05 2:12pm
Isis   I hate seafood...   10/07/05 3:24pm
realdeal   I hate seafood... Oh boy.... Insert joke here:...   10/07/05 3:27pm
Bargod   I hate seafood... Oh boy.... Insert joke here...   10/07/05 4:49pm
Isis   You couldn't pay me enough...anyone got a foot...   10/07/05 4:54pm
Himmler   You couldn't pay me enough...anyone got a foo...   10/07/05 9:21pm
XYZ Factor   You couldn't pay me enough...anyone got a foo...   10/07/05 6:10pm
Isis   Indeed, hehe.   10/07/05 6:32pm
Isis   Don't worry, I know where to find D, if I need...   10/07/05 10:21pm
BlackPlague   Seafood is so good, i could eat that all day, espe...   10/08/05 6:59am
Isis   The only sushi I like is Inari and it's all ve...   10/08/05 8:20am
Maj. H8Red   Did someone say pinktacos??? :P yumm   10/08/05 11:14am
Silver   Alright im sitting back watching this all go down ...   10/08/05 11:45am
The_redeemer   silver. amen.   10/08/05 1:56pm
Hotshot   Going to get in this one late. Ramos , Are you not...   11/30/05 12:34am
Clan Killa   I got some flashbacks reading this topic. I see s...   11/30/05 11:10am
Druid   Clan Killa... who the hell is that????   11/30/05 11:32am
realdeal   Clan Killa? Hmmm.. I think I remember that name.....   11/30/05 11:40am
WiseGuy   I don't   11/30/05 1:08pm
Clan Killa   Druid my nigga, and still the only guy I know in K...   11/30/05 2:16pm


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