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[XYZ Factor]

I know that these guys are questionable.

I can only speak for myself. But the fact remains that many MOB and Regs WILL NOT play with these guys on the server. I myself will not play with them. They are questionable at best. The fact of the matter is that THEY DISRUPT THE SERVER. I say we ban the clan until punkbuster comes out. If they continue the same scores when punkbuster comes out then so be it....but until then, I propose a clan ban.

If this is only my opinion then so be it...it is many against one...but I will not play with them in the server until punkbuster comes out.

just my 2 cents....take it as you wish.

[Druid]

I'm sorry I wasn't around to handle this but some family from out of town dropped by unexpectedly.

I'll I have to say is this.

Out of the everyone who has played on our server, the 51 guys have drawn the most cheat accusations I've seen in a long time.
I've watched many of them play several times.
I've recorded 11 demo's of them playing, plus another 8 demo's other players have recorded and sent to me for review.
When I review demo's I use a utility called grincam which allows me to watch it in a way to see what a player would see if using a wallhack.
I've haven't seen ANYTHING close to being proof on them cheating.
People can watch a demo and easily read into it what they want to see.
When I watch one, I'm looking for proof someone isn't cheating as much as someone is cheating.
As far as I'm concerned they play clean.

Almost all of the cheat accusations have revolved around two types of cheats.
Wallhacks and no-recoil.
What I think people are missing is...
1) There is a tremendous amount of information you can get from the blimps on the compass.
Not just the approximate area where some enemy players are (red blimps ) but you can make a good guess where other enemy players are at from what direction your teammates turn when they are getting shot ( white blimps ).
2) The amount of time the 51 guys play. Some of them play as much in 1 day as most people play in a week.
3) Watch them play and you will see how often they effectively attack spawn areas which give a big boost to their score.
4) Many of the accusations have revolved around the suspecting of a no-recoil cheat. Of all the games I've played ( mohaa, BT, PA, COD, COD:UO, AA, RtCW ) COD2 by far has the weakest recoil I seen in a game. I think it's because unlike most other PC games this one was made to resemble the console version more that other games in the past.
People are more than welcome to verify this themselves.
Take the tommy or 44 and fire it a wall you're fairly far away from.
Fire at the wall with just a tiny bit of downward motion of the mouse.
Now go up to the wall and look at the bullet pattern.
With just the tiniest nudge down, you will fire a very tight pattern of shots.
In COD 2 unlike most other games I've played, there seems to minimal vertical recoil but sporadic horizontal movement added.

I think the biggest reason behind the cheat accusations is the speed and style of play.
Most people are only use to & familair with the slower tactical play of COD and MOHAA, where you guys play much more like console junkies or UT players.

On another note.
It appears a couple of 51 guys were kicked today after they ignored request by MOB players to split teams.
We expect members of any clan to abide by rules we enforce in an attempt to keep the server as fair and fun for the people who play here.
I'll defend you against cheat accusations which I don't share in but any unsportsmanlike behavoir you exhibit on the server is completely on you.
When you play here, you are guest on our server.
If a player can't do something as simple as switching teams to help keep them, after repeatedly asks to by a MOB member, then you were rightfully removed from the server.

[51ja1son]

On another note.
It appears a couple of 51 guys were kicked today after they ignored request by MOB players to split teams.
We expect members of any clan to abide by rules we enforce in an attempt to keep the server as fair and fun for the people who play here.
I'll defend you against cheat accusations which I don't share in but any unsportsmanlike behavoir you exhibit on the server is completely on you.
When you play here, you are guest on our server.
If a player can't do something as simple as switching teams to help keep them, after repeatedly asks to by a MOB member, then you were rightfully removed from the server.

i was on once with Method and Eso and they were both tearing it up on breakout/el almein (or whatever it is)
and all 3 of us were suddenly kicked.

later, i was on with Cross and we were asked not to team stack. now, if there was 3-4 of us on, i would understand. but it was me and him only. there was 2 MOB people on the same, and opposite team of us. 2 people isnt team stacking. maybe our definitions of team stacking are different.

and even later, i was on with sticky i believe and we were both kicked without warning. i was finally able to talk to flame and he said its cuz he wasnt sure if we were cheating or not.

anyway. that is all.

This post has been edited by 51ja1son: 12/31/05 2:51am