| ScrapyardBob |
01/06/06 1:25am
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Major ![]() Group: {MOB} Posts: 814 Joined: January 6th 2006 Member No.: 1519 Xfire: scrapyardbob |
(because I can't sleep at the moment)
So let's talk about the odd, the crafty, the nifty, and the common sense of the Barbarossa map. Focusing primarily on "base assault" mode, although the map is also well suited for CTF. (Definitely a favorite map of a lot of folks.) Apologies in advance if I get long-winded and please try to keep it civil. There's a lot of opinion when folks talk about tactics and just about any idea works at least part of the time. If you don't like a tactic, please explain how you would beat that tactic rather then deriding the poster. First off, my impressions of the bases. Russian #1 (N flank) - Moderately difficult to defend. German attack is usually through the W pass, but sometimes they come up the river valley to the south. Or, if Russian #3 has already fallen, germans can swipe tanks and attack along the back road. Germans also tend to slip into the house on the SW side where the anti-tank weapons are stored. The tank parked near #1 is a prime theft target. - This base tends to be ignored by most allied players, making it more difficult to defend, but easier to attack. Russian #2 (S flank, forward position) - Moderately to extremely difficult to defend. The germans can attack this base from the S riverbed, through the town that is downslope, from the hilltop pass to the NW, or from the N flank. Tanks have to be rushed forward (on a constant basis) from the rear to protect this base. - Strategically, only worth defending if you are behind on points. Same problems as German #1. Only inexperienced players attack this base first (or plant bombs here first). Smart players leave this base alone, forcing the enemy to spawn at a base without any nearby tanks. Russian #3 (SE flank, rear position) - Easiest to defend, unless everyone is playing offense and nobody is minding the store. Germans can sneak in through the houses or sneak in via the right flank into the russian spawn area. - If the germans fail to destroy this base before the other 2 bases, the round typically ends up as a stalemate (or loss). German #1 (S flank, forward position) - Difficult to defend. The russians have multiple approaches to the base (south riverbed, the town bridge, down the hill from the hilltop pass, or up the valley from the N bridge). - Strategically, only worth defending if you are behind on points. Same problems as Russian #2. Only inexperienced players attack this base first (or plant bombs here first). Smart players leave this base alone, forcing the enemy to spawn at a base without any nearby tanks. German #2 (S flank, rear position) - Moderately easy to defend, but only if actively guarded. Russians either sneak through the tank park, attack via the N road, or sneak up the S road. - A lot of players ignore this base until it's too late. They won't start defending it until it's open and has been planted once. An early russian offensive on this base typically results in a win for the allies. Leaving this base for last usually results in a stalemate or loss. German #3 (N flank) - Moderately easy to defend. Attacks are typically from the N bridge, the hilltop pass to the SE, or russians sneaking up the back road or past the bush at the german anti-tank gun. - This is a strategically important base for the germans. Guarding #3 also allows them to guard their N flank. Losing #3 typically results in germans forgetting to watch the N flank, allowing the russians to attack the german spawn. -------------------- |
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| ScrapyardBob |
01/24/06 4:32pm
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Hah, no, I was the sucker that stayed behind to welcome the germans as they rolled into town will all that freshly painted armor. Apparently they were in no mood to sit down and discuss armistice treaties. It was a darn good blitzkrieg up the south flank, we managed to wipe out 2-3 of the incoming tanks but the advance scouts were already slipping into the bunker and starting the plant while we were fighting off the armor.
... Thoughts on getting around Barbarossa. 1) Walking - Definitely the slowest (although the KV1s aren't much faster). If you stick to cover, avoid well-traveled areas, you'll almost always get where you're going. Stealth is a key element, as is knowing how to break contact and evade any pursuit. It would probably take you 3+ minutes to run from one end of the map to the other. 2) Jeeps / Horches - All of the jeeps/horches (sp?) on the Barbarossa server are designed to blow up a few minutes after they leave their spawn point. So it's senseless to swipe enemy jeeps. However, jeeps are the fastest form of transport on the Barbarossa map and can get you from one corner to the other in under 30 seconds. They're also an excellent way to escape a tank and a good jeep driver should make sure to weave and dodge a bit to avoid shellfire. It may be a good plan to bail early and walk, because jeeps are noisy and will wake up most defenders. Especially if you use the machine gun. 4) The half-track. Moderately slow, but can take up to 3 shell rounds before it's destroyed. This is a great way to storm the russian village, especially if you can multiply the targets that a gunner has to deal with. Just make sure everyone knows to start bailing out as soon as incoming fire starts hitting the HT. The driver of the HT should continue in as far and as fast as possible to add to the confusion. Passengers should attempt to escape into cover and force the enemy to spend time searching (or wondering). Note that you should always blow up abandoned half-tracks (they will not auto-explode and respawn). 5) The russian truck. A bit faster then the half-track, but not as well armored. I think two good hits and it's going to go up in a ball of flame. Still a good way to deliver multiple headaches to the germans at the same time. Note that you should always blow up abandoned trucks (they will not auto-explode and respawn). 6) Light tanks (BT7, PzIII). Fast and agile (especially the BT7). The downside is that they're noisy and a prime target for just about everyone else on the battlefield. Be prepared to bail early and make sure that you destroy the abandoned tank. 7) Heavy tanks (KV1 mostly, but also the PzIV). Slow as molasses in January, but they can take a real beating (roughly 7 frontal shots). Not a great transport vehicle as they need to be guarded by infantry and other vehicles in order to make it to the front in one piece. Any infantry or light tanks that escort heavy tanks to the front are great team players. Barbarossa definitely rewards players who are crafty and careful with each spawn. Zerg rushing a defended base typically results in failure (and lots of free points for the defender). But if you can manage to get 3-5 teammates at the target at the same time, you stand a very good chance of overrunning the defenses and taking control of the area. Plus, sometimes the best teamplay is to provide a distraction in one sector while your teammates are planting the bomb in another sector. Especially if you can stay alive for a minute or two and cause excessive mayhem that forces the enemy to hunt you down. (Every enemy that is hunting you is one less that will be attempting to defuse the ticking bomb.) -------------------- |
ScrapyardBob Barbarossa tactics and strategy 01/06/06 1:25am
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Maj. H8Red
Russian W: (forward middle)
- Can shell Germa... 01/06/06 12:42pm
ScrapyardBob Defense (general): Not a complete list, but some ... 01/06/06 2:34am
Bargod WOW! You've got a lot of time on your han... 01/06/06 4:04am
+KS+ Blinky Bill Hi, ScrapyardBob! :)
You surely have spent ... 01/06/06 5:24am
Cpt.Canuck Post of the year, Bob! Well done. :)
One th... 01/06/06 11:05am
ScrapyardBob Hitting the entrance of Russian #3 with the Russia... 01/06/06 6:08pm
ScrapyardBob It's amazing how much mayhem erupts behind rus... 01/11/06 11:30pm
Cpt.Canuck
Looks like the russian 45mm (Russian 3N: rear... 01/12/06 10:44am
realdeal Good work Bob! Maybe you could post some scre... 01/12/06 9:22am
Hellfighter I hate me sometimes.
I just spent over an hour on... 01/12/06 5:46pm
Maj. H8Red
I hate me sometimes.
So do I......lol espe... 01/12/06 5:59pm
ScrapyardBob This great map has a trove of hideaways and ambus... 01/12/06 6:51pm
Hellfighter
Anyone know how many hits it takes to destroy t... 01/13/06 11:03am
Hellfighter
My defense against stealthy infiltrators is to ... 01/14/06 10:08pm
ScrapyardBob Let's see if pictures work...
I had talke... 01/12/06 6:25pm
Cpt.Canuck Slyk, new map looks great! Can't wait... 01/12/06 7:00pm
realdeal Thanks for all the info guys. Nince work Bob... 01/13/06 11:58am
Slyk German pak gun is 75mm. Russian is 45mm. Their d... 01/13/06 3:51pm
ScrapyardBob So... experimentation time. Playing around with t... 01/14/06 3:43am
ScrapyardBob Russian #3 45mm stationary gun targeting chart
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ScrapyardBob Russian #3 KV1 (heavy) tank targeting chart
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ScrapyardBob Russian middle KV1 (heavy) tank targeting chart
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ScrapyardBob German #3 left-side PzIII shelling targets
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ScrapyardBob German left-size PzIV (facing east in tank spawn)
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Silver alot of what you say is awesome, but....
sniping ... 01/14/06 5:04pm
ScrapyardBob Nah he can keep that position.
I spent way to... 01/14/06 9:37pm
ScrapyardBob Satchels - always carry a satchel!
There a... 01/15/06 11:30am
Hellfighter A while back I read a G.I's WW2 war story and ... 01/15/06 1:21pm
Silver dropping the satchel down the air tube also works ... 01/15/06 1:23pm
Imphotemp it would be nice to know sweet spots to german AT_... 01/16/06 8:25am
Silver soon as i fix my vent i could ask someone to spot ... 01/16/06 9:25am
ScrapyardBob The pak gun by german #3 doesn't have any swee... 01/16/06 9:35am
ScrapyardBob The goals of defense
See also: FM 17-15 chapter... 01/16/06 10:26am
Hellfighter
3) Cry for help. If you're about to die... 01/16/06 11:41am
Imphotemp jeezz....BOB you must have used many many hours to... 01/16/06 11:04am
Hellfighter jeezz....BOB you must have used many many hours t... 01/16/06 12:00pm
ScrapyardBob Takes about 1 hour to setup each targeting chart a... 01/16/06 11:43am
ScrapyardBob Russian defense. Talking specifics about defense ... 01/16/06 5:13pm
realdeal Excellent, as usual. And remember Russians... Onl... 01/16/06 5:41pm
ScrapyardBob The germans are getting a lot smarter. First roun... 01/16/06 11:57pm
Hellfighter The germans are getting a lot smarter. First rou... 01/17/06 9:39am
ScrapyardBob True, luck-o-the-draw does apply.
It's a to... 01/17/06 10:32am
Slyk Concept for debate:
You are Russian. You man the ... 01/18/06 10:18am
Maj. H8Red
You are Russian. You man the North Road 45mm. M... 01/18/06 11:55am
Silver you would be correct since soon as the tanks pass ... 01/18/06 10:46am
Hellfighter you would be correct since soon as the tanks pass... 01/18/06 11:43am
Slyk As we designed the map and vehicles, we readily un... 01/18/06 2:22pm
Maj. H8Red I think the North road is overlooked alot early in... 01/18/06 3:25pm
Slyk I decided not to put too many vehicles near the fr... 01/18/06 3:34pm
Maj. H8Red yeah, sometimes the "easiest/closest" ba... 01/18/06 3:47pm
ScrapyardBob Yeah, losing the right flank around Russian #1 is ... 01/20/06 9:34am
Slyk
One tactic that I haven't seen discussed yet... 01/20/06 11:34am
Maj. H8Red Slyk, is there a timeframe for completion for this... 01/20/06 3:18pm
ScrapyardBob One thought I had looking at the early map (from y... 01/20/06 9:17pm
Maj. H8Red Will the vehicles be stock, or current Barb tanks?... 01/21/06 1:40am
ScrapyardBob Size-wise, how does the BAS area for the new Barba... 01/22/06 1:31am
ScrapyardBob More thoughts on strategy:
1) Just because you... 01/22/06 2:33am
ScrapyardBob Other hull-down defensive / offense positions on t... 01/22/06 10:53am
ScrapyardBob It's good map design to keep the bases from be... 01/22/06 2:30pm
ScrapyardBob Why do I suspect tonight's south flank rush of... 01/23/06 10:06pm
Hellfighter Why do I suspect tonight's south flank rush o... 01/25/06 6:01pm
Maj. H8Red One of those quick matches you just love to hate, ... 01/24/06 2:21am
ScrapyardBob (I feel your pain about trying to get more then 3 ... 01/25/06 7:14pm
realdeal Please post all Barbarossa II related posts HERE. ... 01/25/06 9:25pm
ScrapyardBob Okay, here's a very sweet spot for the germans... 01/28/06 11:46am
ScrapyardBob General notes about attempting to hit Russian #3 f... 01/28/06 12:02pm
Maj. H8Red Aha, now it's time for German strategy..... 01/28/06 12:07pm
ScrapyardBob Yeah, auto-assign has been cruel to me this week, ... 01/28/06 12:20pm
Maj. H8Red With a tank at G3 & the PAK near 1 & 2 you... 01/28/06 12:34pm
ScrapyardBob More newbie moments.
1. Never assume that the s... 02/05/06 11:49am
Undertow
Or I'll just play dead on the floor with a p... 02/05/06 1:54pm
Hellfighter
Or I'll just play dead on the floor with a ... 02/05/06 7:03pm
ScrapyardBob (evil grin at Cpt Canuck)
Yeah, I know it's... 02/05/06 4:49pm
ScrapyardBob A lot of players are getting a lot smarter about l... 02/13/06 12:36am
flatliner if you are ranked high enough,
you cna go absolu... 02/13/06 1:09am
Cpt.Canuck It's funny how tactics have changed, eh...
1)... 02/13/06 9:39am
Hellfighter It's funny how tactics have changed, eh...
1... 02/21/06 4:33am
ScrapyardBob When I'm on a defuse run, tactics vary based o... 02/13/06 12:22pm
Cpt.Canuck
Long-range fire support is starting to fail m... 02/13/06 12:55pm
The-Crazy-Norwegian ScrapyardBob, I think you can make a PhD on Barbar... 02/20/06 12:52pm
ScrapyardBob We should pin this topic... 03/25/06 7:09pm
ScrapyardBob Notes for the admins:
- The default respawn tim... 04/05/06 10:39am
ScrapyardBob Things that I saw while watching the mayhem on Bar... 04/05/06 10:15pm
Maj. H8Red Thank God for spawnkilling :D 04/06/06 1:12am
Angus Thermopyle Damn, finally got through all of the tips here. I... 09/20/06 8:50am
majorhavoc
ScrapyardBob make a good point with this.
On m... 09/20/06 10:10am
Angus Thermopyle One more jeep point.
When you are manning the MG ... 09/20/06 1:51pm
Goner Same goes for anyone hopping on the mg of a tank.... 01/29/07 9:14am
M@ster of Dis@ster
Same goes for anyone hopping on the mg of a tank... 01/29/07 12:41pm
Stryker9 ALSO, when using a MG with the slider bar ammo,
us... 09/20/06 2:17pm
Glyn Gardner A new trick I have been toying with that has been ... 11/29/06 1:54am
Nothing Agree, that works well against the Russians.
This... 11/29/06 12:08pm
M@ster of Dis@ster Winning with Russian is easier...period. 11/30/06 6:27pm
Glyn Gardner Found another team tactic that worked well last ni... 12/02/06 9:26am
MyWifesMule " I for one really appreciate a top gunner to... 01/29/07 9:45am![]() ![]() |
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