Banning of MormonMarine?, MormonMarine Options

[Silver]

I dont really care what you guys do, i dont want to hear about comets comming and I say NO to the kool aid.

[UNDEAD 1]

this kid has had at least 6 warnings-infact i believe one of them was a stern letter saying one more incident and hes gone.3 more later and now look?! wtf people.

[miked]

Bargod should not have to defend this decision to anyone, especially the regs. MOB is the decider in these issues, and MOB has decided. That is final. His behavior was an embarassment to {MOB} tags and the matter has been voted on...decisively.

Silver, don't be a hypocrite.

Saucy,

Thanks for making my underlying point so well. However, I didn't ask Bargod to defend the decision at all. Mob can do as it pleases. I pointed out that it was made in an exclusive rather than inclusive manner and without consensus and with limited input from Regs..

Prior to posting, I had discussed some of these issues with Bargod. But you've proven to me that the situation in Mob is not one I wish to be involved in as a Reg. Since my opinions don't matter anyway, the lack of them certainly won't be missed.

I, however, will miss some members of Mob and most members of Regs. I have come to consider them friends over the past few months.

miked

[Silver]

wow Miked?

[HammaTime]

To Miked and those of you who don't understand how this clan operates:

The rule here is majority rules. We have a private "Council" section where members of the clan can discuss and vote on issues that are brought up for consideration. In this case of MormonMarine, we had so many different postings about issues with MM that fatigue started to set in among council members.

There are a lot of issues that come before the council. We are here to play a game and have fun, not to have divisive conversations. The more times the name MM came before the council, the more we saw responses like that voiced by Silver "fuck em ban them." Although, I can't remember ANYONE else voicing such a strong negative response.

I have been supportive of the Mormons since their name first came before the council. I was very impressed when Trooper bought a second copy and promised to play alongside his son as a resolution to one of the earliest problems with Marine. That was a great solution. However, it soon became apparent - and the IPFreely situation illustrated this - that Marine was having his friends play using his dad's copy of the game with NO PARENTAL GUIDANCE. Calling someone "gay" was indeed a minor offense, but in this case, it was a mere reflection of a larger issue - an issue that Trooper had promised to rectify.

The last vote on kicking MM from the servers was not even close - 90% voted for the ban. NINETY PERCENT!! This was a decision made my all members of MOB who wished to voice their opinion.

End of story.


This post has been edited by HammaTime: 09/05/06 8:00pm

[Undertow]

To Miked and those of you who don't understand how this clan operates:

The rule here is majority rules. We have a private "Council" section where members of the clan can discuss and vote on issues that are brought up for consideration. In this case of MormonMarine, we had so many different postings about issues with MM that fatigue started to set in among council members.

I think what miked was talking about is the fact that marine was a reg and the topic was brought into mob private section so therefor the regs had no say in what happened to one of there own. I believe that's what he was getting at.

[Druid]

This is to publicly denounce the banning of my son -- MormonMarine -- by the MOB council. I am saddened by the harsh punishment handed down by the council on such a petty thing as using the "Gay" word in a tag. A removal from the Regs -- yes, but a ban from all servers??? I would be interested to hear from people who have played with MormonMarine and get their thoughts.

MormonTrooper

Please do not remove this post and bury it in the MOB section!!

So there will be no misunderstanding I moved this to the ban forum since thats where it belongs ,
not the "Introduce Yourself" forum where it was originally posted. Not sure what kind of accusation your trying to make with your comment about not burying it in the MOB section. We have always welcomed people to post, questioning why they were kicked or banned.
We go so far to even suggest that in our server rules.
http://www.mobclan.com/forums/upload/index...?showtopic=9802
The idea we will try to bury this in the MOB section is a little off base, wouldn't you agree?

As for your characterization that Mormon Marine was banned for simply calling someone gay. The truth is, you know as well as anyone, it's was simply ONE more in a long list of examples showing his inability to play on the server without causing problems.
Here is a short list.
1) How about the fact not so long ago he was banned for repeatedly disrupting the server
http://www.mobclan.com/forums/upload/index...71&t=9528&st=15
The SINGLE reason he didn't stay banned right then is because at the time both of you played under the same GUID, so banning him resulted in you getting banned. I find it rather hypocritical that you would now question our decision to ban him.
2) The dozen+ times he's been kicked for misbehaving on the server
3) How about the time Bargod warned him and Marines response was "Fuck MOB"

Even after all that we gave him another chance & another chance, there for a while it he was behaving himself. Then he's back to the same kind of behavior that previously got him banned.
He's back doing things to disrupt the game server.

4) How about more recently where he was asked more than once not to repeatedly join & leave the vent server as flood the server with player join & player left messages, yet Marine contined to do just that.

You can't possibly deny the number of times he's been warned.
As you've been the one who has had to come in here on more than one occasion to defend or aplogize for MM's actions. In the end, he was givin more 2nd chances than any other player I can think of.
Right up until we decided enough is enough.

[miked]

To Miked and those of you who don't understand how this clan operates:

...

The last vote on kicking MM from the servers was not even close - 90% voted for the ban. NINETY PERCENT!! This was a decision made my all members of MOB who wished to voice their opinion.

End of story.

Hamma,

I do not dispute the right of Mob to ban anyone at anytime. My issue is with the lack of voice afforded to Regs in the matter. This issue has been summarily dismissed by some MOB members. I do thank you for providing more information about the process that was observed.

Many years ago, I went to college to study journalism. One of the most important things that I learned had nothing to do with journalism and everything to do with group dynamics and management. The concept was participatory management and the object was to listen to everyone and build a consensus for those issues that could be handled that way.

That experience was and is important to me. I try to live by it. At work, I manage peopIe and machines responsible for supporting more than $100 million in research. I want to make sure that everyone there gets a voice. Sometimes a situation requires immediate action, but usually there is an opportunity for people to be heard.

No one will ever agree with every decision anyone makes. But if people feel like they have a voice and someone is listening. They are usually willing to accept that decision.

miked

[Druid]

Miked
Thanks for making my underlying point so well. However, I didn't ask Bargod to defend the decision at all. Mob can do as it pleases. I pointed out that it was made in an exclusive rather than inclusive manner and without consensus and with limited input from Regs..

Limited input, The topic was public for almost a week & was on page #4 prior to it being moved to the private forum.
You repled to the topic twice.
Yet you complain you didn't have any input on the subject?

[miked]

Miked
Thanks for making my underlying point so well. However, I didn't ask Bargod to defend the decision at all. Mob can do as it pleases. I pointed out that it was made in an exclusive rather than inclusive manner and without consensus and with limited input from Regs..

Limited input, The topic was public for almost a week & was on page #4 prior to it being moved to the private forum.
You repled to the topic twice.
Yet you complain you didn't have any input on the subject?

Druid,

You are correct. I spoke. But the topic was moved and my voice was silenced.

Further, Saucy made it clear that my opinion was irrelevant. MOB didn't want to hear any complaints, " Bargod should not have to defend this decision to anyone, especially the regs. MOB is the decider in these issues, and MOB has decided. That is final."

Now, I don't make the mistake of assuming that Saucy speaks for MOB, but not a single MOB member has disputed his post.

I have never had issue with either you or Bargod and I know that both of you work hard to keep this ship afloat. I respect the work that you guys do.

miked

[{MORMONTROOPER}]

If you read all of the postings on this subject -- you will truly get some insight as to how the minds to be work. Have you stopped to wonder why so many people are quiting the clan? I will address some of the incorrect statements made in this thread;

• The incident in November 2005 was before we where even in the MOB clan and was resolved by numerous emails and discussion on how to act on a public server. Case closed
• As far as being kicked more than a dozen times -- this is a total fabrication. Marine was kicked once by Cross of Iron with out warning!! Yes -- he was shooting at people on his team when they where in tanks -- more as sign of friendship. Once he was told not to do it anymore -- he stopped
• Did Marine say F*ck MOB -- no he did not. Marine does not swear -- ever!!! This was in OCT-NOV 2005 and it was said by me! I believe a public apology was given and accepted by your clan.
• I have seen postings by people from MOB that Marine nor I have ever played with or against -- how can a person comment when they have no basis.
• The "Gay" issue was not directed at IPFreely -- it was just a joke! Like the following book titles; "Rusty bed Springs -- by IP Nightly or Yellow Snow by IP Freely" This is where the name came from. As far as the gay part -- it is language used by Middle Schoolers to tease one another. So lighten up!
• Let's remember that the topic was started by a NON-MOB Clan Member.
• There may have been some friction with Silver at one point -- but we where able to work it out over Vent and we are now all good friends.
• I am not defending my sons actions nor would I be mad if he was kicked from the Regs, but being banned from all the servers is a little harsh. I admit he is a difficult kid at times, but he has the highest regard for all of the players he has had the opportunity to play with. I can not tell you how many times he would interrupt my work to tell me that Hamma, Cross, Canuck, Rapist, Radiation and the such where in the stock maps and that I needed to come in and join the game.

Marine is a very mellow kid, but does have a lot of energy -- if you get my meaning. Myself on the other hand is not afraid of confrontation or speaking my mind. To give you some insight -- I played semi-pro Football and Arena ball -- so I can get a little amped up at times -- especially when it comes to my family. Those who have played with me know that I go straight up the middle regardless of my health. If anyone is or has been offended by me or my son I apologize.

MT

Miked
Thanks for making my underlying point so well. However, I didn't ask Bargod to defend the decision at all. Mob can do as it pleases. I pointed out that it was made in an exclusive rather than inclusive manner and without consensus and with limited input from Regs..

Limited input, The topic was public for almost a week & was on page #4 prior to it being moved to the private forum.
You repled to the topic twice.
Yet you complain you didn't have any input on the subject?

[Bargod]

Mormon Trooper, I appologize if I got it wrong. Back then you were both playing under the name Mormon Trooper. But, if the case is that you were the one who said it, well you should have been the one we were discussing banning the first time. I believe H8tred was there with me, and he has been one of the most outspoken people about wanting a ban for Marine (who we were lead to believe it was) since that time.
The point you agree with and argue about at the same time is that "sure he steps out of line sometimes" but why should he be banned. Just kick him out of regs, right? Well, kicking out of regs is secondary becuase he was in the process of what was pretty clearly leading to a ban for breaking server rules on numerous occasions.
Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand.

And I know that you and Silver have become good friends. He's got a lot of good friends. I just don't like the fact that he has tried to portray himself as something he is or was not. He was trying to look like the hero of the story, while in the past admitting that he thought your kid was an "asshole" and also agreeing to a ban after he determined Marine inulted DG.
Me and H8tred have been forthright. I told you in your welcome into the regs that I would wipe the slate clean. I did. However the actions of Marine did not change, so I had to go back to my original impression that he was not the type of person we needed on our servers.

[Silver]

Hero? LMAO...

the things i could say, but I dont really care.

[joker]

Bargod should not have to defend this decision to anyone, especially the regs. MOB is the decider in these issues, and MOB has decided. That is final. His behavior was an embarassment to {MOB} tags and the matter has been voted on...decisively.

Silver, don't be a hypocrite.

i think u r right saucy and most of the people who posted it dont really matter what u think no more including silver and i think what done is done

[Druid]

Hero? LMAO...

the things i could say, but I dont really care.

Why don't you do everyone a favor
If you have something to say, then by all means start a new topic and say it already.
Enough with your thinly veiled insinuations.