Sir Lacelot of Camelot Options

[Lord Lipton]

why must you attack me hamma? so just because i'm not in MOB means i can't post about wrong doings in the server? alright, what the hell ever.

[Druid]

You can justify it however you want but the simple fact remains.
It's chessy tactic
It's lame tactic
It goes against the way the game was made to be played.
It's in the same class as people who spec jump when they are out of ammo or about to die.
It's not much different then saying I'm going to teleport back to my spawn because thats where IO need to be.

Would you consider it a fair tactic if there was a way to misuse a function of the game to bunny hop yourself closer to the enemy base? I wouldn't think so but thats exactly what you're doing when you suicide for the sole reason of getting yourself back to your base to defusing a bomb.
This is the whole reason it's considered illegal in match play, where as all the other examples listed here
Vehicle hiding
Using paks to take down bases
Spawn killing
are not only fair game on our server but also in match play.

No it's doesn't rank up their with a cheat but I think most people wouldn't consider it fair either.
People don't win or lose based on their kills or deaths only bases destroyed.
So suiciding doesn't hurt your team at all but it's help them a lot if your using it as a way to quickly teleport across the map to try & defuse a base.

[HammaTime]

why must you attack me hamma? so just because i'm not in MOB means i can't post about wrong doings in the server? alright, what the hell ever.

Attacking you??? Man, if you think that is attacking you, you better never be attacked! Either that, or I better take some humor lessons. Should I have laced my comment with smiley faces, the LOL wasn't enough? Are you not a movie fan? Did you not get the reference to Blazing Saddles ... which was in itself a reference to The Treasure of the Sierra Madre?

The full quote, which I felt was a humorous way of viewing your attempts to police the server without any power to affect change: "Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don't need badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching tu madre! Come out from that shit-hole of yours. I have to speak to you."

See, this just proves that I am a klutz. I was simply trying to support MoD who didn't know that some thought suicide/teleportation was a bad thing. That's the problem with "unwritten rules," some know them and others don't.

I don't know a lot of unwritten rules myself and, therefore, I wanted to offer some support to MoD. For example, I'm such a noob, I never knew that we had to all line up in an orderly fashion at an RPG spawn point and wait for the person in front of us to get their assigned rocket first. I always just hit F a bunch of times until I got one, and then I moved on. Through a lengthy discussion in the forum, I came to understand that this was considered inappropriate and rude. Oops. My bad.

Now, I do know about jumping in and out of spec mode and I do know that this is frowned upon, but I also know that it is not enforceable by the community here. We had someone who was using spec mode to target people when he was on the Foy 88. It was suggested that this was a bannable offense, but the community wouldn't side with that decision. However, if I see someone doing that, I'm sure as hell going to kick their ass.

You obviously weren't dealing with a spec jumper in your 1v1 battle because if your opponent had jumped into spec mode, the game would have immediately been a draw.

I have to admit I was puzzled that you would bring this matter to the forums. I mean, you were playing one on one with a guy. Kind of like playing cards with a guy who peaks at your cards. You can whine about it, but why not just quit playing with him?

In your original post you said you "know the rules," and yet, there is no published rule against what he was doing. He accurately accused you of not knowing the rules. Now, I could see banning his ass if he was swearing at you, but your post indicates that he was using abbreviations and that isn't a bannable offense, just kind of cheesy. LOL!

As for Sir Lancelot of Camelot, when he isn't watching Monty Python, he is occassionally on our server playing Barb. He has completed 59 rounds, but manages to die more than he kills. You two have similar k:d ratios, but he has played double the rounds you have since the stats have been reset. The odd thing in the stats is his kills to suicide ratio is actually better than yours. His average is .08 and yours is .116 - you suicide a lot more than he does! I've admitted that I am a klutz, but my ratio is .014.

So, this leaves me a bit confused. If we were to ban him for a high suicide rate, we'd have to ban most everyone on the server. Should we ban him because he was argumentative and used abbreviations?

[Lord Lipton]

i don't have any power over people, yes. but does that mean i shouldn't report anything when i see it happen elsewhere? i seem to remember Pancakes (meowman) reporting quite a large deal of things before he was ever in MOB. as did scruff.



but since i "have no power over it" i won't report anything more. sorry i tried to help out the servers a bit still. god damn.

[Maj. H8Red]

Sometimes it's just damn hard to be appreciated, Lip. I guess if we're on their servers just act like anyone else & not give a damn what happens.

That's the problem with "unwritten rules," some know them and others don't.

Well ya better get your new recruits up to date then

[Druid]

Something I think I should clarify.
Even though I don't agree with the tactic of suiciding as a quick way to return to base to defuse a bomb.
I don't put it in the same class as cheating or anything else worth kicking or banning a player for.
I only think it's fair to call the player on it, as they are doing something they shouldn't.
Same as the people who care more about their individual stats then if their team wins or losses.

[NoClassBobBass]

Well as a newbie to the forums it’s interesting to see all of this discussion on the tactic of killing you self to go back and defend a base.

For my 2 cents worth I've been playing on the Mob servers for over a year now and I have used this tactic my self to get back and defend base. Know what seems strange to me is I always looked at it as me making a sacrifice for the team because quite often I would be on a run and be close to trying to plant an enemy base which would be better for my score. But instead when I re spawn I'm giving up that opportunity to further my own agenda I favor of keeping my team alive. So I guess I look at it different than some. I think it is a commendable action to abandon your attack to return as quickly as possible to defend a base. It's allot easier to just plow ahead and ignore the calls from your teammates to fall back. And its as simple as this if you are at the other end of the map and your a team player allot of time the only way to get back in time to help your team is to kill your self.

I would like to add that if I think I at all have enough time to get back without killing my self I will but sometimes their is no choice.



I guess it bothers me more when people are calling the team to fall back because an imp base is going down and nobody returns but me and the guy that was there. It seems there are too many people that pay no attention to the team’s situation. I would like to see them called out rather than someone who sacrifices themselves to help keep their team in the match.




In regards to dropping into spectator mode to find a sniper or to se if a base has someone in it defending I agree that is not a respectable way to play.





P.S. I want it clear that I respect the fact hat people have different opinions on this as far as I’m concerned discussion is good. So theirs my 2 cents on this one take or leave it.

[flatliner]

Tactics aside,

The dude was acting like an ass. There is no reason to be disrespectfull. I think this is a big deal. Yes, Lippy went away, but he is still a friend, at least to a bunch of us. To have a dude acting like an ass and showing poor gaming manners is usually a throwable offense. A ban? I have no idea. I am just mentioning that there were 2 things wrong, not just 1.

[Lord Lipton]

and with a game with a lot of people in it, killing yourself isn't that big of a deal. when its 1 v 1 and its basically a rush to get all the bases, its a lot more of a big deal.

and THANK YOU FLAT, that is exactly what i was just going to say.

[Cpt.Canuck]

Interesting discussion...

I'll agree entirely with MoD and NoClass on this one... Although I don't think I've ever done it - as in most cases you can grab a jeep and make it back to a base in time to defuse regardless of where you are on the map. I definitely don't have a problem with it and I would even consider it an honourable action.


I think long-distance shelling is FAR more lame and cheesy, and should thus be a bannable offense.

[Assault trooperPolska]

Commit suacide when far away to defuse bunker cause the entire team dosen't know any better.... I never tought of commiting suacide for the pourpase of saving a base, mostly its arty that i drop on myself... its a interesting idea... but usualy I'll comit suacide on purpase so that canuck won't get the kill, and have a ratio 4:1(k:d) lol

[flatliner]

I think long-distance shelling is FAR more lame and cheesy, and should thus be a bannable offense.

Yeah me tooo....

wait, I am good at that....

LOL

[T/A6Pak]

I know my stats probably look like I do it...but I just get sached all the time!!! I never seem to get out of the base before it blows-----> Something for me to work on.

Lip....Is your homework done?? Don't worry, I'll keep an eye out for him!!! I would think a warn followed by a kick might teach a lesson. All in all, we still love yea Lip:) Thanks for letting us know.

LORD J----->You know I know...LOL

Cudamom

[Lord Lipton]

I know my stats probably look like I do it...but I just get sached all the time!!! I never seem to get out of the base before it blows-----> Something for me to work on.

Lip....Is your homework done?? Don't worry, I'll keep an eye out for him!!! I would think a warn followed by a kick might teach a lesson. All in all, we still love yea Lip:) Thanks for letting us know.

LORD J----->You know I know...LOL

Cudamom

i always do my homework, thanks mom #2!

[SKTemplarRD]

I think long-distance shelling is FAR more lame and cheesy, and should thus be a bannable offense.


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Definitely more lame.