Sir Lacelot of Camelot Options

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

[quote name='SKTemplarRD' date='09/25/06 5:27pm' post='125925']
I think long-distance shelling is FAR more lame and cheesy, and should thus be a bannable offense.


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Definitely more lame.

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And now this thread is winding down, I stand by my opinion that what is lame and cheesy is a matter of opinion, not fact. As we can see, many hate long distance shelling. About 75% of public servers kick for spawn killing. My opinion...you make like some of these methods, you may not. But it remains nothing but opinion if they are lame and cheesy when they can be done within the game without cheats or exploiting a glitch.

The negative against the "gernade suicide" thing seem to be because they don't mesh with TWL rules. However, TWL rules are not scriptures of God. They are rules that work within a game where everyone on a team is using voice communication, and thus, can cooridinate defence and offence. A public server game means often not knowing if 5 people are falling back to try and save a base, or none. Thus, what works for TWL, what makes sense for TWL, and what is enforcable in TWL doesn't necessarily make sense for public based games.

Is it "gernade suiciding" a realistic manuveur...no. But we turn off spawn killing on a public server. That's not realisitic either. And neither is killing at spawn points. But we allow it, and that's the way it is. Personally, I really dispise getting hit by a far away pak right in the spawn! That's my main beef. But unless we make a clear rule against it, then it's fair game because it's in the game.

MoD

[Lord Lipton]

funny in all my years of playing (probably have played this and original CoD more then 90% of the players here..) i can't remember a single server banning people for spawn-killing. of course, spawnkilling with a tank is pretty much the lowest low you can go....i mean besides not being able to play the game AT ALL outside of a tank. thats the most annoying thing to me, and why i never play stocks or TF hardly. and precisely why i love barb, i can run around a lot easier and do a lot more damage with a jeep/mosin on barb then any other map. tank whores in my opinion are what bring the game to a severe low

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

funny in all my years of playing (probably have played this and original CoD more then 90% of the players here..) i can't remember a single server banning people for spawn-killing. of course, spawnkilling with a tank is pretty much the lowest low you can go....i mean besides not being able to play the game AT ALL outside of a tank. thats the most annoying thing to me, and why i never play stocks or TF hardly. and precisely why i love barb, i can run around a lot easier and do a lot more damage with a jeep/mosin on barb then any other map. tank whores in my opinion are what bring the game to a severe low

Barb, IMHO, is the BEST balanced map going as for fairness between those who like tanks, and those who like being on foot. It's why it is my favorite map. In fact, I was going to say it is perfectly balanced, but actually that's not true, because now that so many people know every trick there is, I think the Russians have an advantage because of their multiple long-distance pak capabilities compared to the Germans being limited to one pak, and the Russians can even long distance pak THAT gun!

I'm surprised you don't like TF though. I thought the foot soldiers had the advange there, with so many nook and crannies to hide.

MoD

p.s. Don't know how you managed to not find servers that don't like spawn killing. What they normally do though is activate spawn protection.
I remember getting kicked from After Hourz Barb for spawn killing when I dropped arty on a spawn house. I was new to the game at the time and had no clue why I'd been kicked!

This post has been edited by M@ster of Dis@ster: 09/25/06 7:26pm

[flatliner]

one of the german heavies can hit everything, as well as the leftmost german light tanks can hit a few spots as well.

but that is just me...

[Pancakes]

one of the german heavies can hit everything, as well as the leftmost german light tanks can hit a few spots as well.

but that is just me...

I really need to learn those shots, im tired of sneaking to the bases and stealing a tank...of course i have found what im good at on both teams so i stick to that...

[Maj. H8Red]

one of the german heavies can hit everything, as well as the leftmost german light tanks can hit a few spots as well.

but that is just me...

I really need to learn those shots, im tired of sneaking to the bases and stealing a tank...of course i have found what im good at on both teams so i stick to that...

Look in the topic titled "Barb. tactics & stratagies" By ScrapyardBob

There's ALOT of useful info. in there.

[Bargod]

spawnkilling with a tank is pretty much the lowest low you can go....i mean besides not being able to play the game AT ALL outside of a tank. thats the most annoying thing to me, and why i never play stocks or TF hardly. and precisely why i love barb

I think barb was the worst for tank spawn killing, personally. It was so easy to get into the german tank spawn and kill at will. Hell, that's how Silver and DG got most of their kills. And I'm not trash talking. I'm being honest. We just loved to get back to that german tank spawn and destroy. I just wasn't nearly as good at it as they were. But damn did they beat people down in the german spawn!

[The-Blind-Norwegian]

spawnkilling with a tank is pretty much the lowest low you can go....i mean besides not being able to play the game AT ALL outside of a tank. thats the most annoying thing to me, and why i never play stocks or TF hardly. and precisely why i love barb

I think barb was the worst for tank spawn killing, personally. It was so easy to get into the german tank spawn and kill at will. Hell, that's how Silver and DG got most of their kills. And I'm not trash talking. I'm being honest. We just loved to get back to that german tank spawn and destroy. I just wasn't nearly as good at it as they were. But damn did they beat people down in the german spawn!

..well, NoobCanon is getting quite good at it.

[Angus Thermopyle]

Ok, so after all this ( I did read all 3 pages)

Suicide to respawn near a planted base is lame but not bannable, right?

Its not a tactic I use, but I am curious.

[Cpt.Canuck]

Ok, so after all this ( I did read all 3 pages)

Suicide to respawn near a planted base is lame but not bannable, right?

Its not a tactic I use, but I am curious.

It is not lame.

It is not a bannable offense.

[Stickman]

It always amazes and amuses me when people mistake their opinions for absolute, irrefutable truth.
What is and is not lame is an entirely subjective thing. Things I have heard called lame at one time or another:
- hopping
- flopping (going prone when fired upon)
- sniping
- playing dead
- the old "primed satchel in the bunker" trick
- long distance pak shots
- spawn killing
- calling arty on spawn
- camping
- spray-and-pray
- hiding captured enemy tanks
- parking to block doors
- running people over with jeeps
- using the MG of an enemy tank before stealing it
- using ventrilo
- turning off team kills
- turning on team kills
- using the mp44
- hiding until a tank passes and you can ambush it from behind
- use of smoke grenades

Arguing about what is or is not lame is pointless.

What is NOT pointless is discussion about what the server rules should be. To the best of my knowlege, MOB rules do not state anywhere that suicide (for whatever reason) is forbidden, so kicking, much less banning, for it would seem unreasonable.
Think it should be against the rules? Fine. Lobby to have a new server rule enacted banning it. But don't expect that because you think it's lame, everybody else should or will avoid doing it.

Personally, i like a server with a few rules as possible. You have to balance the "pain in the ass" factor; which is a greater pain in the ass? Puting up with a behaviour, or having to police and enforce a ban against it. Seems to me that suicides are a minor problem at worst, and banning them would be next to impossible to enforce.

[The-Blind-Norwegian]

"- hiding until a tank passes and you can ambush it from behind"

lame? - lol



Strange people you have been playing with, Sticky!

[Rommel]

"- hiding until a tank passes and you can ambush it from behind" . Everything behind

lame? - lol



Strange people you have been playing with, Sticky!

[Pancakes]

It always amazes and amuses me when people mistake their opinions for absolute, irrefutable truth.
What is and is not lame is an entirely subjective thing. Things I have heard called lame at one time or another:
- hopping
- flopping (going prone when fired upon)
- sniping
- playing dead
- the old "primed satchel in the bunker" trick
- long distance pak shots
- spawn killing
- calling arty on spawn
- camping
- spray-and-pray
- hiding captured enemy tanks
- parking to block doors
- running people over with jeeps
- using the MG of an enemy tank before stealing it
- using ventrilo
- turning off team kills
- turning on team kills
- using the mp44
- hiding until a tank passes and you can ambush it from behind
- use of smoke grenades

Arguing about what is or is not lame is pointless.

What is NOT pointless is discussion about what the server rules should be. To the best of my knowlege, MOB rules do not state anywhere that suicide (for whatever reason) is forbidden, so kicking, much less banning, for it would seem unreasonable.
Think it should be against the rules? Fine. Lobby to have a new server rule enacted banning it. But don't expect that because you think it's lame, everybody else should or will avoid doing it.

Personally, i like a server with a few rules as possible. You have to balance the "pain in the ass" factor; which is a greater pain in the ass? Puting up with a behaviour, or having to police and enforce a ban against it. Seems to me that suicides are a minor problem at worst, and banning them would be next to impossible to enforce.

That list is all some serious lamesauce...especially sniping...freaking hax