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[eulogy]

a question that doesnt have to do with the war... y are there tax rollbacks for the wealthy????what purpose does that serve?? except to put a burden on the poor and middle class. my parents support 4 children and could use a tax break like the rich.

[Hard Drive]

Eulogy, thats the Republican thing to do.

[Druid]

I would say 75% of the people don't understand how taxes effect different groups of people, most are simply confused do to the constant rhetoric about how the middle class pay all the taxes and the B.S. about how the RICH get off easy.

A quick look at the bigger picture.
The top 1% pay a little over 20% of all taxes, so that works out to 20% times their share if everything was equal based on income.
I would be very curious to see someone justify how they think the RICH don't pay enough of their share of taxes. Also keep in mind a large percentage of the tax burden goes to entitlements for the poor which the RICH get nothing out of.
Now at the other extreme is the POOR ( the lowest 20% by income ) pay 1.1% of the tax burden.
And for the middle class who make up the middle 20% by income, their share of the overall tax burden works out to a little over 10%

And a quick review of actual tax rates.
Top 1% average tax rate is 26.7%
Top 20% average tax rate is 23.6%
Middle 20% tax rate is 14.6%
Bottom 20% pay an average 5.2%



For Hoods.
Okay I should the vast majority of Kerry's votes for financial support of the military are post 9-11, after all he's been a senator for almost 20 years, I'm sure in that time they can dig up a few things he voted for in an attempt to overshadow his poor overall voting record.
BTW don't you think it's odd how Kerry's website claims he's strong on Defense and Intelligence funding but only cite bills from 1996-2003, after all he's been a senator for 20 years why only talk about 1996-2003?
Maybe it's because they would rather forget how Kerry not only supported but was the sponsor of a bill during 1994-1995 which would of cut $5 billion from intelligence agencies over the life of the bill.
Then again, Kerry can always claim it's just a right wing conspiracy but he would have problems explaining how some Democrats were against his huge Intelligence cuts he sponsored in 94-95.
Sen. Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ)
Kerry's Amendment To Cut Intelligence Would "Close Our Eyes And Ears" To Gathering Threats.
Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI)
Kerry's Amendment Would Leave Our Troops Vulnerable To Attack.

Or here are a few votes Kerry forgets to mention on his website.
1991
Votes to Slash Over $3 Billion from Defense (H.R. 2707, CQ Vote #182, Sep 10, 1991)
1992
Votes to Cut $6 Billion from Defense (S. Con. Res. 106, CQ Vote #73, Apr 9, 1992)
1993
Kerry Introduces Plan To Cut Numerous Defense Programs:
Cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews
Reduce the number of light infantry units in the Army down to one
Reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force
Terminate the Navy’s coastal mine-hunting ship program
Force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed Forces
in one year.
(S.1163, Introduced Jun 24, 1993)
1994
Introduced an amendment to SLASH defense spending by 4 billion dollars and Intelligence spending by about 1 billion. (S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #73, Mar 24, 1993)
1995
Voted YES to freeze defense spending for 7 Years, slashing over $34 Billion from defense. S. Con. Res. 13, CQ Vote #181, May 24, 1995
1996
Voted NO on the Defend America Act of 1996.
Voted NO on considering deploying National Missile Defense, and amending ABM Treaty. Bill S 1635 ; vote number 1996-157 on Jun 4, 1996
This one is somewhat hidden because he couldn't find a single person to co-sponsor his bill, so it died before it went anywhere.
Introduces a bill to SLASH Department of Defense Funding by 6.5 Billion (S. 1580, Introduced Feb 29, 1996)
1999
Voted YES on allowing another round of military base closures. Bill S.1059 ; vote number 1999-147 on May 26, 1999
Voted YES on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.

[eulogy]

druid times change, at times the nation was diff and the world was diff, it wasnt as easy to pull shit off, and all those cuts may have been a thought to share the money with another part of the government, maybe education, we dont know the motive, and im def. sure its not to harm the U.S. as most republicans would make that out to be

[Stockguy]

thats incorrect. Times may change but its still as easy to pull of then it did years ago. John Kerry has shown that his record isn't up to par with the american people. Bush has shown that he can step up and make his own decisions. Sorry to bring it up again but Kerry flip flops, we dont want a president that can't make decisions for himself. Our deficit will be cleaned up but it will be a matter of time. All will go well in Term 2.

[eulogy]

why does kerry flip flop? and please dont say he voted to go to war.

kerry voted as a senator to give the president permission to declare war without goin back to congress first. the president said that we will have allied help, and do it when the time is right. well he fooled kerry, as well as america. congress trusted him to do what he said and did the opposite. so everyone says that kerry voted to go to war thats bs. he gave bush the authority not to go back to congress assumin he does what he said he was gonna do.

and if you say hes a flip flopper cuz of vietnam, then heres a arguement for that. hes seen the war, he was there he knew what was goin on over there, he has every right to not accept medals for something he doesnt believe in. he protested something that shouldnt have happened in his mind, and to be not only be there but to be decrorated, hes has a good reason to protest the war hes seen.

[eulogy]

but it doesnt matter now, i have to put faith into bush to do whats right for u.s.

[SFC ROSCOE]

Name This Country


709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL.
293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.
EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS.
20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.
19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON
232 MISSILES.
500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.

IS THIS COUNTRY-
RUSSIA ? NO
CHINA ? NO
GREAT BRITAIN ? NO
FRANCE ? WRONG AGAIN ( What ! a Laugh!!!!!)
MUST BE USA! ? STILL WRONG (SORT OF)
GIVE UP ?

THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED DURING THE
ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
AND [their elimination] was 100% SUPPORTED BY JOHN KERRY (THESE HE DID
VOTE ON)

SLEEP WELL!

This is not a new message, but a reminder of why we now have over-deployed
our National Guard and Reserve Units.

HE SAID CHECK THE RECORD
Sen. John Kerry, Democrat from Massachusetts says he is the strongest
Presidential Candidate on National Defense ! He said Check the Record..

We Did !

Here is what we learned:

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988
He voted to kill! the Aegis anti aircraft system
He ! voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle
He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16
He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
He voted to Kill the B-1
He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system
He voted to Kill the FA-18
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the F117
He voted to kill every military appropriation for the development
and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988, including a bill for
battle armor for our troops.

It is most likely, with Sen. John Kerry as President and Commander in Chief
of our Armed Services, that they will cease to function making it impossible
for our country to protect itself.

John Kerry voted to kill all anti-terrorism activities of each and every
agency of the U.S. Government.
He voted to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%.
He voted to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%.
He voted to cut th! e funding for the NSA by 80%.
THEN, and this is abhorrent to almost every American Voter be you Democrat,
Republican or Independent, he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N
operations by 800% !!
Ask yourself Is THIS the person you want as President of these United States
providing for the Common Defense of the Nation
and be the Leader of the Free World ?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Voting history can be accessed through Senate voting records.

The above is an accurate summary.

Right on brother. Kerry and his ilk are leading this country to its ruin!!!

[Genocide Junkie]

Talk about digging up an old thread.... hmmm here's an old pile of crap think I'll stir it up and see if it still stinks.... yup... still stinks....

Junkie

[Hellfighter]

.....and therefore made Mexico and Canada stronger economically and fucked over the USA. NAFTA is what allowed all this outsourcing. GO BUSH! ....

I can tell you we didn't feel economically stronger up in Canada if that's what you're read on statistic charts and repub gossip told you. At that time we were just coming out of a double recession.

[THE Mechanic]

Talk about digging up an old thread.... hmmm here's an old pile of crap think I'll stir it up and see if it still stinks.... yup... still stinks....

Junkie

Junkie,I started reading this and then i noticed this is from 04.Took a big sniff.

Now I'm on the floor!!!

[Radiation]

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This post has been edited by Radiation: 04/27/07 5:10pm

[Wotansvolk]

.....and therefore made Mexico and Canada stronger economically and fucked over the USA. NAFTA is what allowed all this outsourcing. GO BUSH! ....

USA don't give a shit about NAFTA they signed it but when it don't go their way they just do what they want...US haven't been affected by NAFTA free trade my ass, free trade don't exist with the US except if it's in their favor!
You want an exemple ...USA taxing Canadian Lumber , they had NAFTA ruling against them but they just ignored it even the US court of international trade ruled against the US but they still didn't give a damn!


This post has been edited by Wotansvolk: 11/13/06 11:04am

[Nothing]

as far as trade goes for the US, I am probably an expert on this topic as I own a freight forwarding company. My customers are importing all kinds of items. Just about anything you can think of, I have imported it. Every single item has a different tax or duty on it. Allot of items are considered duty free. But there are some that are pretty crazy as well. All the taxes are based on what other countries are selling the merchandise for. For example, if a computer part costs usd5.00 to make in China, but usd50.00 to make in Canada, Canada will have a much less tax on it when importing to USA.

There are some items that the US taxes the shit out of in order to force people to buy in the US only. Example, sugar. Sugar has a tax based on the kilo. I believe the tax alone if imported is higher than the price you pay at the store. Why is it taxed so high?? So we are forced to buy all our sugar from Hawaii. There are many quota items like this. What they do to make it seem "fair" they offer a quota on an item. They allow so many to be imported each year that does not have to pay that high tax. But its like playing a game when trying to import. The quota is filled within the first 2 days of the new year, lol. So if you importing sugar and hoping to not have to pay the high tax, you better hope your shipment is not delayed, and hope your shipment is one of the first in line, lol.

Here is an item that is a little tricky for me to understand. Furniture. Furniture is duty free from China. But....., they have added a new tax last year of 199%, thats right, one hundred and ninty nine percent tax on Bedroom Furniture? I have no idea why they have done this.

[Hellfighter]

........
Here is an item that is a little tricky for me to understand. Furniture. Furniture is duty free from China. But....., they have added a new tax last year of 199%, thats right, one hundred and ninty nine percent tax on Bedroom Furniture? I have no idea why they have done this.

Nice inside info Nothing-thanks. My guess on the furniture from China thing is the fear consumers would start seeing these items for sale in Dollar sores [ I'm an expert on Dollar stores - I love them as much as they love me]


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 11/13/06 6:39pm