MOW is great but can get tiresome with campers, I have seen a camper mod that would point you out if!!! Options

[William Wallace]

I didn't notice much diff after the changes either. Steel is it possible to limit the RPG to 1 round and only 1 round carried at a time and not up to 3 slots plus 1 in the barrel? As well reduce the Drag bullets maybe down to 30 or 40 rounds total?

With less rounds it is basically a sniper as you can't just put it in full auto and let um rip with 20 in the clip.

The range and acuracy of the Drag is incredible I can come around the corner at G1 (being russian) and snip guys running from the German back spawn up to the middle pak then proceed on. In the old barb it was very hard to make a shot like that

With a weakend RPG and only 1 shot they will typically be used for running. You can't fire 3 rounds at a base (instead of using tanks at R1) and you can't destroy a tank with 1 shot which is great. I have yet to see a tank destroyed with a satchel in MOW


If you only have a few rounds in the Drag, once they are gone you can't just sit there you are going to have to go and try to plant a base or something with only a Mac-10.

[Nothing]

Its obvious that so many are against the Druganov, why not take it out completely for a trial. See what happens?

[majorhavoc]

Its obvious that so many are against the Druganov, why not take it out completely for a trial. See what happens?

What will happen is that all the point-whore noobs will go away and there will be many more competitive matches with regard to blowing up bases.

[Nothing]

How do you know? You have not seen this mod being played without it yet. I think that the "next" weapon of choice will be a scoped rifle. All snipers! Will have even less people planting bases and not many using paks. Just my thoughts though. I would like to see it since so many are against the Druganov though. No matter what anyone does to this mod, there will always be much more sniping, period. Those that think differently, are wishfully thinking.



Weapon Kills+ Deaths Suicides Eff % Hits Shots Misses Acc %
Ppsh 201 94 0 68.14 319 319 0 100.00
Pak45 turret 55 2 0 96.49 67 67 0 100.00
Springfield 2 29 0 0 100.00 29 29 0 100.00


Above is my stats for the top 3 weapons I have used in the last week. Below is MOD's top 3. I see myself using weapons more than just the Druganov more than you have MOD. I see this with many players, not all, but many. How can you complain if your doing it yourself? And please dont use the excuse that everyone else is so you are. Its lame and we should lead by example, not be part of the problem your complaining about. I really think most use it because its a great weapon. Its unrealistic so everyone likes to talk negative about it, but the stats show they are using it all the time. Hypocrisy?

Weapon Kills+ Deaths Suicides Eff % Hits Shots Misses Acc %
Ppsh 1810 982 0 64.83 2344 2344 0 100.00
Tt33 433 247 0 63.68 701 701 0 100.00
Bazooka 2 229 33 4 87.40 609 609 0 100.00






This post has been edited by Nothing: 08/24/07 11:36am

[Barkmann]

Well for onething i dont use the Druganov, so that puts me out of the Hypocrisy thingy.

Nothing i think your the King of the Druganov...dont take this the wrong way, just i cant see you useing nothing eles.

[Nothing]

Hey Barkman,

I know you always use a rifle. Just like a few others. Thats why I said not all but many. And dont get me wrong, I do use the Druganov mostly. I posted the stats of it. I am just pointing out that many that are complaining about it are ones that use it a ton as well. They even use it more than I do. Thats my point. I use it because its a great weapon. I say its completely fine since anyone can use it. But I think that those that dont use it are upset that their weapon they like is overpowered by those that use it. I guess im in the minority though.

[Kleerance]

Hey Barkman,

I know you always use a rifle. Just like a few others. Thats why I said not all but many. And dont get me wrong, I do use the Druganov mostly. I posted the stats of it. I am just pointing out that many that are complaining about it are ones that use it a ton as well. They even use it more than I do. Thats my point. I use it because its a great weapon. I say its completely fine since anyone can use it. But I think that those that dont use it are upset that their weapon they like is overpowered by those that use it. I guess im in the minority though.

Please, please, please......Nothing you are an excellent player just to have confirmed that (in any mod) everybody knows. So you don't have to make a defending speech out of this. However you are the one who always says "don't take this personally" so please don't. This thread is about how to improve gameplay in a general matter - not a personal statistic review. I think MoD is just adapting to the game (I'm sure he can speak for his own ), and even you must admit that it must be a character strength if MoD insist of tuning down a weapon he's using a lot......Also read Abuse's posts which is indeed very relevant. Mod (and everybody else) uses Dragunov cause it's too superior compared to the other weapons.... The thing is that you think it's completely ok the way it is now, and I personally disagree. It's just input to the gameplay. I guess Steel has the final word anyhow.

"AND THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS"

[majorhavoc]

How do you know? You have not seen this mod being played without it yet. I think that the "next" weapon of choice will be a scoped rifle. All snipers!

The exact same way you know what's going to happen next...I don't. But I have a better leg to stand on than you. Why, exactly, would people switch to a single-shot sniper rifle when it's pretty difficult to hit a fast moving target (i.e., players running with an RPG)? Aside from that, the enemy can use that speed to get right on top of you and gun you down when you don't have the luxury of using the sniper rifle as an assault weapon (like most use the Noobanov)?

And why, exactly, on the original Barbarossa did MOST people NOT use a sniper rifle? Wouldn't it stand to reason, based on what you think, that most players would be using a sniper rifle there? But they don't.

I don't care how powerful the scope is, it's still very difficult to hit people while they're running with that RPG with a single-shot sniper rifle.

[Nothing]

I dont take this personally at all. I just say it how I feel it. I see some complaining about a weapon that they use, I see that differently than you do I guess. They just dont go well together in my book. Complain about something, but use it anyways. Im sure Steel will take all of what everyone is saying and use it to what she thinks will work well for the server.

These scoped rifles are much different and more powerful than the old barb. I guess the only way to see it is when its done. I really do hope that Steel does tone the Druganov down or take it out completely just so I can prove my point here. Next complaint will be to tone down the other rifles. Thats why I say leave it. But im all out of breath on the issue. I voiced my opinion as much as I can. Whatever anyone says, it will not convince me otherwise. We will have to see it when it is changed.

This post has been edited by Nothing: 08/24/07 4:01pm

[MFD IPFreely]

The sniper rifles on the MW servers are different (less sway and recoil) but that doesnt neccessarily make them better or more powerful. Yes some have a 3X zoom but that is more of handicap because you have a limited view when you are zoomed in so far. Only advantage with a zoom that deep is to spawn kill which happens anyway.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

How do you know? You have not seen this mod being played without it yet. I think that the "next" weapon of choice will be a scoped rifle. All snipers! Will have even less people planting bases and not many using paks. Just my thoughts though. I would like to see it since so many are against the Druganov though. No matter what anyone does to this mod, there will always be much more sniping, period. Those that think differently, are wishfully thinking.



Weapon Kills+ Deaths Suicides Eff % Hits Shots Misses Acc %
Ppsh 201 94 0 68.14 319 319 0 100.00
Pak45 turret 55 2 0 96.49 67 67 0 100.00
Springfield 2 29 0 0 100.00 29 29 0 100.00


Above is my stats for the top 3 weapons I have used in the last week. Below is MOD's top 3. I see myself using weapons more than just the Druganov more than you have MOD. I see this with many players, not all, but many. How can you complain if your doing it yourself? And please dont use the excuse that everyone else is so you are. Its lame and we should lead by example, not be part of the problem your complaining about. I really think most use it because its a great weapon. Its unrealistic so everyone likes to talk negative about it, but the stats show they are using it all the time. Hypocrisy?

Weapon Kills+ Deaths Suicides Eff % Hits Shots Misses Acc %
Ppsh 1810 982 0 64.83 2344 2344 0 100.00
Tt33 433 247 0 63.68 701 701 0 100.00
Bazooka 2 229 33 4 87.40 609 609 0 100.00

No, not hypocrisy. I said it Nothing, using any other weapon than the Draganov is handicapping oneself. I don't like handicapping myself. I generally don't call it a Noobanov much either. and I clearly state it is the game's premier weapon. But I also state that I find it has changed the gameplay in a way I don't like. I don't like there's no variety of weapons people choose, except for a select few who are really handicapping themselves. I don't like that tanks are useless.

Perhaps the stat you need to check is how much I played lately, compared to the old Barb. You might consider me a hypocrite if I was playing as much or more then ever while complaining about the balance. You will not find that the case.

Listen, we all have our own opinions on balance, enjoyment, etc. I was just giving mine. I use the Draganov, becaue IMO, there' s no choice. Use it or die. Join the rapid-fire sniper fest. Or don't play. I've played a lot less lately. That's life I guess. We all move on.

MOD

p.s. ...and Nothing, the draganov IS a SNIPER rifle!!!!! I remain baffled by the statement if we remove it it will become a "sniper-fest". Umm, hello! Draganov = Rapid-fire sniper rifle, 10X zoom, now weapon sway, no barrel bounce when shooting and again it's a SNIPER RIFLE SNIPER RIFLE SNIPER RIFLE!

[MFD IPFreely]

Above is my stats for the top 3 weapons I have used in the last week. Below is MOD's top 3. I see myself using weapons more than just the Druganov more than you have MOD. .00

Actually the stats you listed are your weekly and MoD's 90 day.
Your weekly PPSH kills were 201. MoD's 14.
Your 90day PPSH 4,411 MoD's 1,810

Using weapons other than the Drag? Your next weapon other than tank, PAK, nades or MAC ....

Springfield 2 - 55 kills

Top 4 most kill with PPSH in 90 days
TWOBIT 6,576
Shadow 4,677
TWOBIT(again) 4,447
Nothing 4,411

Honestly its obvious why you don't want it messed with. If you're not in a tank or heaving nades you're using the Drag.

This post has been edited by MFD IPFreely: 08/24/07 10:33pm

[Wheeler]

Tried a few of the other weapons out tonight outside of the Springfield and Dragunov.

Their are a few really kickin weapons avaliable and removing the Dragunov or severly detuning it would really open the others weapons. Ultimately any of the other scoped assult rifles and machine guns dont come close to matching the Drag as far as combined stopping power, range, firing rate and accuracy and so as it has been said before you would be a fool to enter the map with any other weapon.

Forcing people to leave their beloved Dragunov would face some recoil with the gamers against MOW. However from the heated dicussions that have been repeated over the past number of months, it is possiable that it is better left in the TDM arena and outside BAS.

Of course any of you that I have played against know I am slighted in this direction since of the 19,000 kills TWOBIT, Shadow and Nothing have with the Drag, about 2,000 of them have been on me. This may seem high for the amount that I play, but just to let you know I was no better on the original Barrbarosa server.

[Blitz]

I play with the Camo sniper rifle (not sure the name) but the sigle shot bolt action is hard to kill someone when they are at a full on sprint.

It is very good at killing people camped though

I've read the entire post and everyone has a lot of passion about this.
I think the game has changed largely due to the players playing now. I seem to recall when it first went online and it was mostly MOB & Regs playing it played more like regular base assault!

It's not my style of play, I was selfishly wishing it could be more of an in between the existing Barb and the new modern weapons.

After reading the entire thread, I say it goes back to the original design, ( It's very popular and why risk losing players for my selfishness??)
players like myself should try to revive the Old Barbarossa and Forest. I'll do my part by logging on at least a couple of times a week.

If we had room for another server, It would be interesting to see a middleground styling like a lot of the people are recomending. I.E. No Draganov, No full sprint, Weighting the Zookas or slower re-load, The return of a new bolt action with killer sights

We could make this server our experimental ground rather than messing with success.

Steel, as always your work is fantastic, you have created a hit and made (2) hugely popular servers!

[Cpt.Canuck]

Well I dont play much anymore either, but mostly because of my silly internet connection troubles.

But this is how I see it:

+ Tripwires are hilariously funny.

+ You can run from almost anywhere on the map to defuse a base. As Russian, I made it from G2 area back to defuse R1 without a motorized vehicle lol.

+ Pakwhores are limited.

+ The weapons are fun.

+ The server is always full.



- It's hardly Base Assault anymore - a lot of players completely ignore planting/defusing bases.

- The Draganov makes it nearly impossible to mount any sort of offensive attack for either team.

- Tanks are useless except for blowing bases from long range (for those who know how).

- Teamwork and cooperation have gone out the window.

- Most games end in a draw (2-1 or 2-2 etc). Hardly ever see 3 bases blown in Barb now.


Verdict: The Draganov needs to be toned down, and the tanks need to be more nimble.



Oh well, at least the server is always populated - so I guess a lot of people love it how it is.