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[Mess]

Well said Cpt.Canuck! I agree with almost all of your points...



(For the record, I too am a Noobinov user and will continue to use it because it is the most dominant weapon available - I mean why show up to a gun fight with a baseball bat??)



...but it seems that the only way to win MOW BAS now is to have 3-6 players working together to plant and cover a base because:

(1) Tanks are Useless and cannot defend a plant

(2) Everyone can run to diffuse a plant from almost any part of the map

(3) You can pick off attackers from a long way off with the Noobinov, etc.



I have been in some games that only last 10 mins or less because one side coordinated and covered each plant and worked together. Yes, the temptation to snip and make it a TDM is great, but ultimately, I believe that this MOW BAS will prove to most that the only way to win at BAS is to work together as a team.



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I honestly believe the main problem for not being able to blow all 3 bases is because there are way too many noobs playing that dont care to do so. Its total chaos and not many are defending either. They are playing as if it were a TDM, not BAS. No strategy while playing. Thats the main reason all three bases have not been taken most of the time. I cant tell you how many times I have been frustrated to see myself and a few others playing defense while the entire team runs in a completely different direction of a planted base. Its not because of the weapon, its because of the type of players we have playing.

As far as the Druganov goes, yes its a shipers weapon, but I use it as a MG allot of the time. Not only as a snipers rifle. If we take that out, most will take a scoped rifle. It will take away of the sweeper-weapon used by many (the druganov) and more will camp with their rifles. Thats all im saying. So removing it will do two things, 1. Make more campers/snipers play. 2. Attract less people because allot play due to the weapon. I believe these to be true and this is my point from the start of me posting on here. If you think otherwise, please explain.


P.S.
If i picked the 90 day vs the week, it was an error on my part. I was just looking through stats of different players using the weapon.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

I honestly believe the main problem for not being able to blow all 3 bases is because there are way too many noobs playing that dont care to do so. Its total chaos and not many are defending either. They are playing as if it were a TDM, not BAS. No strategy while playing. Thats the main reason all three bases have not been taken most of the time. I cant tell you how many times I have been frustrated to see myself and a few others playing defense while the entire team runs in a completely different direction of a planted base. Its not because of the weapon, its because of the type of players we have playing.

As far as the Druganov goes, yes its a shipers weapon, but I use it as a MG allot of the time. Not only as a snipers rifle. If we take that out, most will take a scoped rifle. It will take away of the sweeper-weapon used by many (the druganov) and more will camp with their rifles. Thats all im saying. So removing it will do two things, 1. Make more campers/snipers play. 2. Attract less people because allot play due to the weapon. I believe these to be true and this is my point from the start of me posting on here. If you think otherwise, please explain.


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If i picked the 90 day vs the week, it was an error on my part. I was just looking through stats of different players using the weapon.

Firstly, again the Draganov is a scoped rifle. The beauty of it is you get a scoped rifle but also a full automatic assult rifle, so there is no sacrifice. I think if it were to be removed or toned down, some would pick scoped rifles, and some would pick the other quite good assult rifles. The scoped guys would camp, like many do now, but with single shot action they won't be nearly as effective in "sniper" mode, and when the assult rifles guys get close, the advantage will change. In older modern weapons mod's, the AK47 was used tons by people, it was MORE popular than, say, the single shot camo sniper (which was still good too). The M16 varient was used a lot also. So no, I don't think there's evidence that all will become bolt-action snipers who never move forward.

Additionally, as stated, I would like to see a vastly toned down RP-7 as well. That would allow people to use tanks again, which again cuts down on snipers, because you can cross much of the map in the safety of a tank. One you close the gap even if you have to abandon the tank, guns like the AK-47 can be mean in mid-range battles, assuming you're enemy isn't able to just shoot from the hip with his incredibly accurate, powerful full-auto sniper rifle that is the Draganov.

I still hope that maybe we can start another server modified and then we'd se what's what. I'd be totally happy with aa BArb server with modified modern weapons that was half full of players who know how to play BA, versus playing on a full server stuffed with TDM players who are more intent on killing than on blowing or defending bases. If we had two servers that satisfied both crowds, that would be great IMO.

[majorhavoc]

I honestly believe the main problem for not being able to blow all 3 bases is because there are way too many noobs playing that dont care to do so. Its total chaos and not many are defending either. They are playing as if it were a TDM, not BAS. No strategy while playing. Thats the main reason all three bases have not been taken most of the time. I cant tell you how many times I have been frustrated to see myself and a few others playing defense while the entire team runs in a completely different direction of a planted base. Its not because of the weapon, its because of the type of players we have playing.

You have to ask yourself these questions: "Why are these 'noobs' here?" AND "Why weren't these 'noobs' on the old Barbarossa?"

I'll give you one guess...it stars with a D and ends with ragunov...

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You exactly proved one of my points. That is why the traffic is so high, because of the Druganov. So, which is better for the clan as a whole? 1. less traffic, but more regulars that play and have solid BA games? or 2. have higher traffic and have more noobs trying to become MOB and then learn how to actually play BA games? Its hard for me to pick. I could be selfish and say I would rather play with a bunch of great team players and have great matches, but then again, I could choose the other way which means the clan would grow more, generate more money to pay for more servers and have more people that can possibly learn to play with a strategy.

Were in the learning phase of this territory. Its new to us. The MOD is great. Yes, there are certain aspects of the game that I miss from old barb, but thats the price to having a packed server every night. Do I hate to see noobs that kill be more often because of the Druganov, Yes. Do I enjoy using the powerful weapoin myself, Yes. Why change it? So I can have guys sit in tanks all day like before? Dont care for it really. Tanks should be used for Defense, not offense. How many times on old barb did you see a KV1 attacking G2 from actually being in front of it?

[majorhavoc]

You exactly proved one of my points. That is why the traffic is so high, because of the Druganov. So, which is better for the clan as a whole? 1. less traffic, but more regulars that play and have solid BA games? or 2. have higher traffic and have more noobs trying to become MOB and then learn how to actually play BA games? Its hard for me to pick. I could be selfish and say I would rather play with a bunch of great team players and have great matches, but then again, I could choose the other way which means the clan would grow more, generate more money to pay for more servers and have more people that can possibly learn to play with a strategy.

Were in the learning phase of this territory. Its new to us. The MOD is great. Yes, there are certain aspects of the game that I miss from old barb, but thats the price to having a packed server every night. Do I hate to see noobs that kill be more often because of the Druganov, Yes. Do I enjoy using the powerful weapoin myself, Yes. Why change it? So I can have guys sit in tanks all day like before? Dont care for it really. Tanks should be used for Defense, not offense. How many times on old barb did you see a KV1 attacking G2 from actually being in front of it?

Once again, bottom line (see Kleerance's posts): This is BAS not TDM. These noobs that you think are the future of your clan are a bunch of point whores who just want to shoot 'em up (and if you think they'll join, you're fooling yourself). And when guys like me, MoD, Abuse, Clark and others try to blow bases by advancing along the map, they have easy targets. They think they're good at the game. But, as most of us know, they aren't good. They're just sniping with a weapon that is easy to use even for the noobest of noobs.

There's ALREADY a Modern Weapons TDM server at MOB. This is BAS...I suggest that Steel adds Barbarossa to the Custom Maps Modern Weapons server so all the Noobanov loving people can go over there and shoot each other silly. Then she can remove the Noobanov from the BAS server and we can play the way BAS players like.

[MFD IPFreely]

Were in the learning phase of this territory. Its new to us. The MOD is great. Yes, there are certain aspects of the game that I miss from old barb, but thats the price to having a packed server every night. Do I hate to see noobs that kill be more often because of the Druganov, Yes. Do I enjoy using the powerful weapoin myself, Yes. Why change it? So I can have guys sit in tanks all day like before? Dont care for it really. Tanks should be used for Defense, not offense. How many times on old barb did you see a KV1 attacking G2 from actually being in front of it?

This makes no sense. You say the Dragunov should'nt be changed. That tanks should be used for defense, not offense. When Germans are covering the village from R2 hill, center hill and R1 they are no different than the guys sitting in tanks at the top of the hill all day that you don't like. They sit at the top of the hill and kill anything they see with a lot more accuracy.

Also the KV1 rarely makes it G2 because it's slow.

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Yes, they are similar, but at least they can be killed easier than a tank. With the way the panzers were, there was no way in hell anyone could shoot a tank on R2 or R1 from R3.

I said it before, I think its a bad move. But, I think we should do it to please most. After we get rid of it, then there will be another request in change to another weapon and another, until we are back to old barb but faster running. I really want the change so that many can see it from my point of view.

I believe I will be fine with our without it. I only think the grass is always greener on the other side. Once we get the change, will you all like it or not.

[majorhavoc]

After we get rid of it [Noobanov], then there will be another request in change to another weapon and another, until we are back to old barb but faster running.

Again, why would you think that? It's used by 95% of the players for 95% of their kills. It's clear that it's the most dominant weapon on the server. If it were removed, people would have to learn some skills with other weapons that all have pluses and minuses to them. People will gravitate to the weapons that work best for their style of play or they'll not play anymore because the Noobanov was the only reason they were on the server in the first place...fortunately for them, they can go to Modern Weapons Custom Maps and Noobanov each other to kingdom come.

[Abuse]

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Im done with the discussion on this topic. I will wait until any changes are made to make any more comments. I just hope for the best.

[Barkmann]

Why dont we just that off the Dragunaov and see what happens?

I bet you more then half the players wont play lol



This post has been edited by Barkmann: 08/27/07 3:45pm

[The-Blind-Norwegian]

Why dont we just that off the Dragunaov and see what happens?

......or let us take away the stats for a month. Then maybe we can see some BAS gaming, and not just a lot of stats and ratio junkies waiting in the middle with the Noobanov.

[Ouch]

I have to say I never thought I would play on that server, But now I am addicted to it. yes I use the noob gun and I will not use anything else< I go on servers to win not come in second place. If there was such a problem with the weapons then why is it that I have to use the PW almost evertime I get on. People love it I say leave it be, When we start loosing people I say that is when we should change it. I do agree with alot of all what people have posted. But I really dont like the campers being marked I dont think it is fair for those people, and it actually screws me up since I think those are chevrons over there heads and I think they are on my team. The big reason that alot of games are never won is that people always take out the easiest bases first, Then you are stuck with russian 3 last and there are russians all over it you will never get it armed and hold the plant. As I said before leave it be or I will be very sad.

[Rommel]

Why dont we just that off the Dragunaov and see what happens?

......or let us take away the stats for a month. Then maybe we can see some BAS gaming, and not just a lot of stats and ratio junkies waiting in the middle with the Noobanov.

Remove Statsand keep the Draguanov. If not let me be immortal



This post has been edited by Rommel: 09/04/07 4:38am