Global Warming, the Great Lifesaver, More die from excess cold than heat Options

[Wino Ph.D.]

Here's the 60 sec answer.



Global warming is a natural effect that has occured throughout the history of earth without global warming we would be in an ice age.



Human activities have effected the rate of change between the cycles between an ice age and a hot house period. This can be readily ocserved by looking at he isotopic composition of gases collected in ice cores. There is really no demying this fact. Unless you're a complete idiot.



Oour current lifestyle situation does not allow for an immediate reverse to this effect so we are stuck with the situation we have.



Oceans and forests will continue to absorb excess CO2 from the atmosphere (do not forget there are plenty or other pollutants in the air but global warming gets the worst rap by politicians and media). We have obviously seen the degradation of coral reefs, glaciers, and other ice masses because of this. Please don't make me do the calculation again, it's painful.



At this point I don't think we can do anything to significantly change the outcome of these effects, in many respects we are reeping what our grandparnets soe when they didn't know any better. So we're to far down the road. Who want's to start walking ten miles to the mall, without milk or ice cream when you get there, then there's no hamburger or fries when you get home, let alone your diet coke.



It is scientifically obivious that humans are effecting the atmosphere and oceans space that we live in. in many ways in really shouldn't be a surprise. If you shit in the same 20000 L pool for years and years eventually you'll see an effect.



The main problem is how do we make sure that our children aren't left with a planet full of scavengers like crows, roaches, catfish, and rodents. This is what will happen if we don't actively address alternatives.



Okl Now I need another drink! LOL

[Bargod]

There are some excellent points made. I'd like to reiterate that I believe humans are having a definate effect on the atmosphere, but I believe that "in the long run" the Earth will be fine. This is where my arguement differs from most.
Humans have survived an Ice Age already, and they did that in animal skins.
Are we changing the environment? Absolutely. Is it because we drive SUV's? Yes, and no.
Ugh. I just realised that this is probably going to be a longer explanation than I've really got time to get into, so if I drop it off at some point, I'll pick it up later.
So, first off, we started effecting the atmosphere early in our history when we started clearing land and domesticating animals.
No? We didn't?
Well, scientists agree that the ozone hole of New Zealand was caused by sheep. So, domestication of animals was the first step in effecting the atmosphere.
Yeah, but that wasn't such a big deal.
Well, let's skip ahead to the clear cutting of forests in the middle ages in Europe, especially England. That effected the environment.
Sure, Chris, but not like the clear cutting of forests for the last 50 years. OK, but it was the start, and it has effected the environment.

Skip waaaaay ahead to the industrial revolution. This is where "today" realy starts. That was well over 100 years ago. That made it possible for us to be having this discussion on our computers today.

"Well, that doesn't mean that we have to be this way"!

Well, unfortunately, for the time being, it does. And the damage is done!
However, there is an unknown.
Nobody knows what will actually happen because it's nearly impossible to forcast weather or anything related to global warming with computer models because it is so damn complex our current computers can't do the math accurately enough.

This is not governments speaking.

Go out and find the RAW DATA.

You can find it in the people that actually say "Global Warming is bad and we need to change it today!".
You can find it in NASA pages and OSHA (the water people not the work people, I may have the initials wrong, it's late).

I've been reading more and more into this on the most scientific pages I could find that were pure research and not "agenda driven".

Basically, we don't know what will happen. Like I said in my first post, we know how the Earth regulates tempurature. But some forcasts say that the cooling will be so severe that a new "mini ice age" will occur, while other scientific models say "everything will heat up and massive deserts will form".

But the overall knowledge is:
The Earth regulates it's tempurature.

Will this effect humans to the point that it will be chaos?

Nobody really knows. It will definately effect us.
Overall the Earth will be fine.

I do think it's better to try to live our lives cleaner, but I also believe that whatever we do today is too little too late. The Earth will regulate itself and I will either live in a temperate climate in Dallas, or a desert in Dallas.

[UNDEAD 1]

thanks to a small amount of doubt ,it has bought our government more time to commit on putting a cap on co2 along with china and india.funny how we used to set examples for the world .

those of you that want to sit back and make yourself feel better by saying its a natural process ,go ahead . theres no doubt in my mind that there is a natural process of warming but humans have hit the ffwd X10 button on this process due to irresponsibility.

economic growth.

[Cpt. Snot Rocket]

We are on the same page Bargod. My point in this post was to get people to understand that there are differing viewpoints on this subject and outlawing the combustion engine (Gore's Idea), or other drastic changes should be deeply considered and not a knee jerk reaction.

Yes the data suggests the globe is warming right now. The globe is always warming and cooling. I am not ignorant enough to assume that mankind has no impact on the globe's weather and atmosphere. All we have is circumstatial evidence that mankind MAY be causing some global warming. "Greenhouse gasses should do this and that". But in reality we don't know why the earth keeps changing temperature. Therefore, how can we know excatly what is happening know.

Carbon dioxide is at all time highs in our atmoshere. Yes, most likely put there by us. However, this is not a deadly gas. It is actually the life blood of our plants!!! They thrive on this!!

I am an environmentalist because it is my Christian duty to do so. I fully support measured restrictions on pollution, recycling, etc.

But I also realize that UNDEAD'S evil "economy" can also save millions of lives around the planet by providing people with jobs to care for their families and well as allowing impoverished nations to develop engergy stations to provide life supporting techonlogy like agriculture, heat, and water.
I've seen families living in dirt caves in China. And the caves are nicer than many of the "homes". And that is in China, a world power!

It's funny but those of us that want to understand all the different opinions and arguements from all sides are labeled, "idiots", "wacko's", "nut cases", on and on and on.

Either I believe man is directly causing global warming or I am evil spawn and should be whipped and thrown in a dungeon. Sounds like Islamic Fundementalist would do well in this subject.

This post has been edited by Cpt. Snot Rocket: 09/28/07 9:15am

[Wino Ph.D.]

You can find it in the people that actually say "Global Warming is bad and we need to change it today!".
You can find it in NASA pages and OSHA (the water people not the work people, I may have the initials wrong, it's late).

I think you mean NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration)



www.noaa.gov

thanks to a small amount of doubt ,it has bought our government more time to commit on putting a cap on co2 along with china and india.funny how we used to set examples for the world .

those of you that want to sit back and make yourself feel better by saying its a natural process ,go ahead . theres no doubt in my mind that there is a natural process of warming but humans have hit the ffwd X10 button on this process due to irresponsibility.

economic growth.

You're right, it is a natural process that we have accelerated. With out our economy most of us wouldn't be here. Could we do some things differently and be more responsible, of course, I think that is what most realists are encouraging. Does it make sense to ban combustion engines? No way. Should we be developing new more responsible technology? We sure should. But of course this would lead to a whole new business sector so we'll always have that.

[UNDEAD 1]

i have always believed there is a balance in this world and we are abusing every resource.all i wanted to see this week was our government to sign on with the rest of the world to TRY and put a cap co2.seems like the next administration wether dem or rep is going to have their work cut out for them.

[Shred and Burn]

I did a paper on this in college

The details of my research are foggy to me now, but I seem to remember a few things.

1. We couldn't accurately track global temeratures until the 1970's when we got satellites.
2. Accuweather only measures temperatures around populated areas. Cities give off heat.
3. Global warming occurs naturally.
4. Most greenhouse gases are not caused by people. Water Vapor causes a lot of the greenhouse effect.
5. Ocean currents caused the last global warming. Pleistocene period? (spelling?)

I'm sure we are not helping matters.

[blk96gt]

Let it get warmer. I'll just turn up the AC in my V-8 gas guzzler on my way to work (at an oil company).

[Bargod]

Let it get warmer. I'll just turn up the AC in my V-8 gas guzzler on my way to work (at an oil company).

He will. I've met him. He wouldn't lie about that.

[Pancakes]

Let it get warmer. I'll just turn up the AC in my V-8 gas guzzler on my way to work (at an oil company).

I laughed, this is one of the funnier comments I've seen in a while. So thank you Blk for making me laugh during this slow night.

[Ghost Child]

My big objection to man made Global Warming is the fact that the Democrats have found an issue that is very subjective that they can use for political gain. That alone makes me more suspicioius than anything.

[Midnight Rambler]

"There are some excellent points made. I'd like to reiterate that I believe humans are having a definate effect on the atmosphere, but I believe that "in the long run" the Earth will be fine. This is where my arguement differs from most."
Bargod
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The earth will be fine. We do not have the power to destroy the planet. What we can do is kill every living thing on it. The earth will be here for billions of years, the question is, will the human race go along for the ride?
We are turning the planet into an uninhabitable, for humans, cesspool. Humans have an uncanny ability to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that things are fine even when the mounting evidence suggests otherwise.. Just yesterday the local news was reporting a beach closing due to fecal coliform in the water. That's poop to you and me. They reported that it was "part of a natural and cycle and would soon clear up."
There is nothing natural about pumping untreated sewage into the water where people swim daily. But we are expected to just take it in stride and live with it.
People will ignore the filth and the rising water until they have to swim across the room to change the channell.

[Shred and Burn]

Waterworld was cool.

[Bargod]

"There are some excellent points made. I'd like to reiterate that I believe humans are having a definate effect on the atmosphere, but I believe that "in the long run" the Earth will be fine. This is where my arguement differs from most."
Bargod
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The earth will be fine. We do not have the power to destroy the planet. What we can do is kill every living thing on it. The earth will be here for billions of years, the question is, will the human race go along for the ride?
We are turning the planet into an uninhabitable, for humans, cesspool. Humans have an uncanny ability to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that things are fine even when the mounting evidence suggests otherwise.. Just yesterday the local news was reporting a beach closing due to fecal coliform in the water. That's poop to you and me. They reported that it was "part of a natural and cycle and would soon clear up."
There is nothing natural about pumping untreated sewage into the water where people swim daily. But we are expected to just take it in stride and live with it.
People will ignore the filth and the rising water until they have to swim across the room to change the channell.

Exactly. Animals go extcint all the time. The Earth will go on and there will be life. It will be different than we know it, but there will be life.

However, I personally still believe that there will not be a catostrophic disaster because of global warming because the earth regulates it's temperature. Will there be changes? Sure. Man lived through an ice age with animal skins. I'm sure we'll be OK what with our modern heaters and what not.

Also, I never said we shouldn't change. I recycle, and although I own an SUV, my wife and I use our fuel efficient car for driving back and forth to work. I also recycle almost all of my trash, as well as composting whatever I can.

Oh, and you know how they get rid of feces out of the waste water in California? Well, one of the stages is passing it through pools filled with carp and tilapia. These fish eat the crap out of the water. Know what they do with the tilapia when they are fully grown? They sell them to restaurants where you eat them.
LOL!

[holden_caulfield]

omg. mob finally recruits a few liberal members?

WWRDS (what would real deal say)

joke of course.

i see you have a cod4 server.