WWII history, need help with>>> Options

[Barkmann]

I know wiki is a good site for infor on ww2, but does anyone here [i know some of you know ur ww2 history] know of a good ww2 website where i can get detail infor on battle plans, unit details, and photos of maps?

I need it for something im working on.

Anyhelp be great.

[Clancey]

Can you narrow it down a bit for us? i.e. what battle are you seeking info about?

[Rommel]

Try this http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/FAQ/2283

http://www.topedge.com/panels/ww2/na/frame.html

http://www.dasreich.ca/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:World_War_II




http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/ww2.htm




This post has been edited by Rommel: 10/09/07 4:11am

[PFC Mustangman]

Thanks Rommel for these web sights .Have you ever read the book"The Trail of the Fox"by David Irving?If not its a good one about the real Rommal.

[Barkmann]

Thanks Rommel.

[Rommel]

Thanks Rommel for these web sights .Have you ever read the book"The Trail of the Fox"by David Irving?If not its a good one about the real Rommal.

I have read a lot of good books about the WW-II, but not the book you mention.

Have you read books from Sven Hassel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sven_Hassel http://www.svenhassel.net/

http://www.svenhassel.info/

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[Hellfighter]

Thanks Rommel for these web sights .Have you ever read the book"The Trail of the Fox"by David Irving?If not its a good one about the real Rommal.

I have read a lot of good books about the WW-II, but not the book you mention.

Have you read books from Sven Hassel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sven_Hassel http://www.svenhassel.net/

http://www.svenhassel.info/

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Great books! I read a few of them years back.
The Albert character was a genius throw-in.... especially in one book where he's in a parade with Porta's unit and all the Generals are scratching their heads.....

Can you narrow it down a bit for us? i.e. what battle are you seeking info about?

Yes, what are you working on Bark- some of us ww2 battle buffs maybe can help you out extra too.

[shazbot]

I'd be concerned about facts with any book by David Irving. It appears that he based some his "facts" on very dubious sources. His estimates for number of dead in Dresden were taken from Goebbels himself and cold-war era Soviet "historians". Even when his "facts" were proven incorrect Irving would only reduce them slightly (still almost 5 times the agreed number of dead). Anyway, just saying be careful Irving.

[Barkmann]

making some big battle maps for Combat Mission
I need all the detail infor i can get in order to make the map and battle operations.
I came across maney websites but i only get a story about the battles not too much detail.

1. Battle of Kharkov in 1943 the 3rd battle of the city.
I know abit about it, just if i can find a map of kharkov, a over veiw from the top.
And i know who was in the battle just dont know what type of armour types ATguns and AVP arty units types. You can say pz4's but i need more infor on the model types also for i.e. pz4 h and pz4 g or panther model a or d you know what i mean?. wiki doesnt have much unless im looking at wrong page.


2. Battle at Arnhem 1944
I know the british 1st AB was there and the 2SSPZ division was there, but once again i still need
what armour, any atguns or sp-guns and avps where the germans where useing.
Map i dont need. One more thing i dont remember but did the Pol's make it to Arnhem?

3. Battle at Bastogne 1944 [Did i spell it right? lol]
Only thing i need is a top over veiw of map and what types of armour both sides had.


Thanks for anyhelp.





This post has been edited by Barkmann: 10/11/07 3:10pm

[Hellfighter]

making some big battle maps for Combat Mission
I need all the detail infor i can get in order to make the map and battle operations.
I came across maney websites but i only get a story about the battles not too much detail.

1. Battle of Kharkov in 1943 the 3rd battle of the city.
I know abit about it, just if i can find a map of kharkov, a over veiw from the top.
And i know who was in the battle just dont know what type of armour types ATguns and AVP arty units types. You can say pz4's but i need more infor on the model types also for i.e. pz4 h and pz4 g or panther model a or d you know what i mean?. wiki doesnt have much unless im looking at wrong page.


2. Battle at Arnhem 1944
I know the british 1st AB was there and the 2SSPZ division was there, but once again i still need
what armour, any atguns or sp-guns and avps where the germans where useing.
Map i dont need. One more thing i dont remember but did the Pol's make it to Arnhem?

3. Battle at Bastogne 1944 [Did i spell it right? lol]
Only thing i need is a top over veiw of map and what types of armour both sides had.


Thanks for anyhelp.

I'll see about helping 1 topic at a time; Market Garden is my niche in the WW2 arena. So I'll start with that. The Germans had just about every conceivable armour of course with so many armoured units involved ranging from crack SS units to even Dutch units in German service-including Dutch SS units.

There were tons of mixed units too due to the traditional German doctrine of rapid fierce counter attack when possible so you can imagine any motorized vehicle at Germans disposal was used;

Here's an excellent/ probably definitive site for the Arnhem portion of the campaign;
http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/frames.htm

Poles never made it to Arnhem- they organised at Driel... a village south of the Rhine near to Oosterbeek- the last Brit paras holdout point.

Germans had many halftracks in use. The famous bridge assault that got crushed [and was spectacularly depicted in the movie 'A Bridge Too Far'] was a recce unit. Tiger 1's broke across the bridge a day later.
Panthers and MklVs were there too. With the Paras fighting ferociously the Germ. commanders decided to just do things Stalingrad style and blast neighbourhood blocks to rubble. Mostly heavy SPs were doing this. Also, the Oosterbeek pocket was nicknamed the 'Cauldron' [a big pot of bubbly hot liquid] since German arty fire into that area was so intense. The arty available was everything - mortars, howitzers, field artillery and AT guns of all calibres... there were even 105mm/150mm arty gun units in significant numbers.
I think the Brits would've been completely wiped out were it not for Brit 30 Corps elite field artillery being called in to fire long-range in smashing German probe attacks into the Paras perimeter.

Here's an interesting thingy. Everyone thinks the Americans were the first to cross the Rhine by boat.... but actually it was a company from the British 30 Corps /43rd ivision that was sent in to reinforce the Oosterbeek pocket... it was a night boat crossing/attack and I think the coy. got hurt pretty bad in the crossing.

I'll see if I can find you some other stuff besides that link I got ya.


EDIT 2-

Also read this.... tiger tanks were scraped together basically- not many were present/used;
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...05084115AARDmSK


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 10/11/07 5:44pm

[Barkmann]

wow! thanks HF thats what im looking for, That helps me out alot.

[Hellfighter]

wow! thanks HF thats what im looking for, That helps me out alot.

oops you got back fast.....
I like that first link I gave you but I see not everything is there..... as I said though 9thSS is the chief opponent of the Paras there were as I said huge mixes of Geman and Dutch units pulled in from the surrounding area to fight in Arnhem.... Luftwaffe/naval ground units too.... keep checking this post for more stuff I'll add...
this link is about Tiger tanks at Arnhem... the ones the piat shots bounced off in the movie;
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...05084115AARDmSK


edit 2
Here's the Tiger section [3 tanks -apparently tiger ll's -Royal ] under command of Maj.gen Harmel
-20 more tigers arrived later
http://www.lonesentry.com/panzer/tiger-tank-abteilung.html




This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 10/11/07 6:06pm

[Clancey]

These might be helpful



Battle of Kharkov in 1943 the 3rd battle of the city

http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/maps/maps1942SW.htm

http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/maps/to...rkov_250000.jpg



Battle at Arnhem 1944

http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/frames.htm

http://www.marketgarden.com/2010/UK/frames.html

http://www.defendingarnhem.com/index.htm (Order of Battle details some of the German units)

http://www.defendingarnhem.com/Links.htm


Battle at Bastogne 1944

http://www.histoquiz-contemporain.com/Hist...44/bastogne.htm

http://www.histoquiz-contemporain.com/Hist...44/Dossiers.htm

http://www.bastognehistoricalcenter.be/ind...es_ardennes.htm#

[Barkmann]

lol man i was also looking for a good map for arnhem....and it hit me just now i got one of the best tools for maps.....Google Earth....

I got alot of good stuff for me to start at less working on my arnhem operation for CM game.

[Hellfighter]

lol man i was also looking for a good map for arnhem....and it hit me just now i got one of the best tools for maps.....Google Earth....

I got alot of good stuff for me to start at less working on my arnhem operation for CM game.

Sorry to burst your bubble mr.barkmann but that google earth map is way off for how Arnhem looked in 44... especially around the bridge area where Frost was set-up. Some buildings are missing in some areas, and open areas in 44 now have buildings on them....
Especially those highway bendings near the bridge-not there in 44.
I'll look through clanceys links and see if it has the maps you need... also keep in mind if you are refighting the actual brifdgehead battle you'll only need the downtown area of Arnhem since thats where most of the Brits set up their perimeter.

follow-up edit;
Here are some good photos;-
I actually have a good map of the fight area from a wargame; if you want I'll scan the section you want [bridgehead] and mail to you if the references here are too vague.

Shows the bridgehead [north of the Rhine] -note on google earth alot of the buildings are gone
http://www.nntk.net/galleries/gallery_arnh...s/arnhem24.html
http://www.nntk.net/galleries/gallery_arnh...s/arnhem08.html

To get a good idea of the bridgehead rent the movie 'A Bridge Too Far' made in 1977 -alot of buildings were still around for the movie.

This one shows Arnhem center looking towards the south of the bridge [right hand side of pic].
http://www.nntk.net/galleries/gallery_arnh...s/arnhem23.html

Arnhem bridge after Grubner's recce unit got destroyed trying to cross it.
http://www.nntk.net/galleries/gallery_arnh...s/arnhem33.html


General Map showing dropzone areas/battle areas
http://www.nntk.net/arnhem_1944/arnhem_map.html

Clancey already got this very excellent site; [Clancey an interested ww2 buff methinx ]
http://www.marketgarden.com/2010/UK/
http://www.marketgarden.com

start from here for the meat of what you seek
http://www.marketgarden.com/2010/UK/frames.html
this map left to right is from the west approaching the bridge


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 10/12/07 3:34pm