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[Barkmann]

thats ok HF, i cant make the map look 100% like Arnhem anyways just make it look something like a big city with a big brigde in it, and toss in some buildings into it. And im not going to make the whole Arnhem city, just key battle spots or try too lol.


One photo shows you the southside of Arnhem soo far i made.
This one shows you the buildings i got to play with in the game.



Heres my email HF if you can send that thingy for me.



Rhincodon2010@hotmail.com Sorry no spam thank you lol





This post has been edited by Barkmann: 10/12/07 4:28pm

[Hellfighter]

thats ok HF, i cant make the map look 100% like Arnhem anyways just make it look something like a big city with a big brigde in it, and toss in some buildings into it. And im not going to make the whole Arnhem city, just key battle spots or try too lol.


One photo shows you the southside of Arnhem soo far i made.
This one shows you the buildings i got to play with in the game.



Heres my email HF if you can send that thingy for me.



********************* Sorry no spam thank you lol

actually delete your email from the forum in an edit to be practising safe online habits,barkmann; send it to me in a pm next time . i'll post the pic here in the forum tomorrow for you.

Remember south side of Arnhem is very clear of buildings - the north side is the built up area. And Brits made the houses like fortresses almost- so the defence value for their position should be as high as can be. imo

ps-get hold of 'A Bridge Too Far' movie........it'll help alot.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 10/12/07 5:56pm

[Hellfighter]

Here's the pic Bark,
The right side of pic is the north end of the Bridge.
[hehee -compare it to the current google map of the area! ]

The Brits at the bridge should get off board arty support after the bridge is taken -historically- from Oosterbeek where airborne arty was set-up.

My advice- to make the impression the Brits were holding houses like fortresses, change the German infantry to at most Regular level - no elite units... Actually many german units rushed into the area were not a high quality type.
this would reflect the Brit expertise in urban defence and the hazards of sniper firing, rubbled streets, sudden ambushes etc.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 10/14/07 7:13am

[Barkmann]

kool thanks.

I did a test run lastnight with the germans first tryed to retake the bridge back with the halftracks and other armoured cars, and they got crash. Things are almost done and i'll show you the map when its done and once again thanks for the help.

[Hellfighter]

kool thanks.

I did a test run lastnight with the germans first tryed to retake the bridge back with the halftracks and other armoured cars, and they got crash. Things are almost done and i'll show you the map when its done and once again thanks for the help.

hah- I'm drooling to see any pics/screenshots of the battle, Bark

[Barkmann]

OK heres the map done.

Just remember i can only do so much with what i got to work with in game.

I did my best to make it look like Arnhem, but well you see, it sucks that the game doesnt have better bridges to pick from. Now i just need MOD to install his copy of Combat Mission 3 and we can start the battle, to see how things will work out.



HF, i read that the brits had 6pd guns and 17pd guns in arnhem is this true?

I can see the 6pd guns but the 17pd guns?



This post has been edited by Barkmann: 10/14/07 4:22pm

[T/A6Pak]

That looks really cool Barkmann!!!!

[Hellfighter]

OK heres the map done.

Just remember i can only do so much with what i got to work with in game.

I did my best to make it look like Arnhem, but well you see, it sucks that the game doesnt have better bridges to pick from. Now i just need MOD to install his copy of Combat Mission 3 and we can start the battle, to see how things will work out.



HF, i read that the brits had 6pd guns and 17pd guns in arnhem is this true?

I can see the 6pd guns but the 17pd guns?

Very nice work Bark! But the woods maybe a bit too big- but I'm not sure what scale you're working on -but if its a big scale then there was indeed that woods/open terrain area where you have it now.

I added a bunch of new links below. Brits had 6pdr AT guns one or two [looks like one though] very near the bridge. From what else I read in memoirs, there were a few [well at least 1 ] AT guns in Arnhem hidden around/unable to get to the bridge section.
But no 17 pdrs in Arnhem city as far as I knowl.
Paras in Arnhem had lots of light+medium mortars too. Also remember there were several Brit. airborne companies to the west of the bridgehead in Arnhem trying fight there way to join up at the bridge - and later on trying to get back to Oosterbeek base.

The Howitzer units/ field artillery units/ 17 pdrs of the Airborne were at Oosterbeek providing fire support at the bridge. Apparently too, defenders at the bridge had radios working to get in touch with the main body at Oosterbeek to have them fire in air-burst shells on the recce unit attacking the bridge [18th Sep] - a fact not shown in the movie 'bridge too far'.
30 Corps provides [off board] tremendous heavy arty support to Oosterbeek after Sep 21 [I think that date]
Details are in the links below. I added a few more links- namely one about a canadian engineer unit taking part in the 'Garden'/ground part of the operation that provided the boats for that first river crossing of the Rhine by the Allies [a portion of a reinforcing battalion from 43rd Div. into Oosterbeek perimeter].

arty links;
http://www.1stairlandingantitankbattery.com/
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Bridg...rketGarden.html
http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/printthr...&perpage=40

excerpt from a book reviewer ;
Arnhem 1944: The Airborne Battle
By R. A Forczyk (Laurel, MD USA) - See all my reviews
(TOP 500 REVIEWER) (REAL NAME)
This book represents another great effort by Martin Middlebrook. At first, one might ask why another book on Operation Market-Garden is necessary. The answer is that Middlebrook focus just on the actions of the units at Arnhem, ignoring the US airborne divisions further south and the advance of 30th Corps. The result is an account that presents far more detail than most accounts of the Arnhem fighting, which tend to focus mainly on Lieutenant Colonel Frost's battalion at Arnhem bridge.
Middlebrook begins his account with an in-depth description of the British 1st Airborne Division that covers every battalion and subordinate unit in detail. Readers will learn what every key unit, including the oft-neglected support units, could contribute to the battle. I was surprised to learn for example, just how many anti-tank guns that the British took to Arnhem: 52 six-pounders (57mm) and 16 seventeen-pounders (76mm). Most accounts of the battle do not mention the seventeen pounders, which gave the British a decent anti-tank weapon against even the heavier German tanks in the vicinity.

other nice short write-ups;
http://www.legionmagazine.com/features/can...story/00-09.asp
http://www.warmuseums.nl/gal/029gal.htm
http://home.wanadoo.nl/cclinks/abtf/monday~1.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/50/a3220750.shtml

I added a 2 more map attachments too- down below.





This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 10/15/07 8:40am

[Barkmann]

Well i didnt think they had any ATguns at Arnhem, maybe what i was reading was in general in the operation they had 6pd and 17pd, just not in arnhem.
Its a big scale map, so thats why its 10times bigger then the photo you had for me.
Im playing a game now just as a kinda test run to see how things are, but doesnt matter what i do, those armour HT and Cars just get pown on the blooy bridge, need to wait for the big guns to show up.

Heres a photo of a spitfire on a recon flight as you can see things dont look to good for me on that bridge.

Out of 17 units one got away from the bridge alive lol





This post has been edited by Barkmann: 10/16/07 5:17am

[Hellfighter]

wow- I wouldn't say it if I didn't mean it, but you've done an excellent job recreating the map and the action!
More pics please!!! Really amazing actually how it looks like the actual after battle photo.
I was remembering no AT guns either, but there was definately several 6pdrs inside the bridge perimeter as described in that first link in the last post-the info was gotten from a book 'Gunners at Arnhem' written by an Arnhem vet -sooo, I'll agree with him and the other sources saying same thing too It mentions two AT guns also took part in destroying Grabners recce unit also - so if you didn't have that in your first test fight- maybe next time that surviving vehicle wont get away
Did you see the movie 'A Bridge Too Far ' yet?


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 10/16/07 5:51am

[Barkmann]

I own the movie, and i watch it like 20times already lol.

I give the brits at less 2 6pds.

Tonight my heavy armour units are going in.

[Clancey]

[Clancey an interested ww2 buff methinx ]

yes indeed

[Hellfighter]

I own the movie, and i watch it like 20times already lol.

I give the brits at less 2 6pds.

Tonight my heavy armour units are going in.

Generals Clancey and me are frothing at the mouth to see screenies of the drama unfolding as the Germans and Airborne pummel each other at point-blank
ps- don't manipulate us into a 'pay-per-view' thing

[Barkmann]

Good News Bad News



-Good news i got tons of screenshots for you

-Bad News i got my new pc today and i was reinstalling everything and i dont know how but i lost all my maps for combat mission's FUCKED! <sorry for swearing but it took me days to make maps kinda mad>

Oh well i guess i have to redo the arnhem map again aaaahhhhh

[Clancey]

bummer about the maps, but COOL for the new PC