Gun Control, A rational discussion Options

[Barkmann]

There is no gun control.

Every day you hear about someone shooting someone else or others.

The law is a joke when it comes to crime.

[PFC Mustangman]

Maybe its the prescription psychiatric drug treatment?How many young people do you know are on depression drugs or taking Ritalin?

www.infowars.net/articles/december2007/061207Shooter.htm



A must read!!!

[*Triggahappy13*]

i know this sounds terrible but... if people hate THEIR lives and THEMSELVES and everthing about THEMSELF why shoot other people, start with yourself and then we will talk...

(again i know that sounds bad and i hope this doesnt offend anyone but its the only way i could get what im trying to say across)

[Hellfighter]

Well as soon as the Muslims complete their take over of France, Britain, and Germany, they probably will wish they had stockpiled a few Glock's.

hmmm, taking notes from the Bush 'Emergency False alerts' Playbook I see... you forgot to mention 'mushroom clouds' on the horizon in that comment though.
Why disparage a people of a faith in entirety when you know you mean radical extremists? Do you deliberately intend to slur the majority of law abiding citizens in that group... no I'm not picking on you Mr.Rocket but from firsthand experience when I lived in Europe[and even though I was born there] that's the junk I had to hear everyday from hatemongerors/dimwits regarding myself when growing up. When you're just trying to live a normal life and get through the day it's like getting shot out/gutpunch of nowhere hearing generalized stereotype fear-mongering stupidity about yourself based on an 'identifiable' group you're in.

All the muslim friends I have are just that- they have no hidden agenda to take over nations with guns. They're soft spoken good people-eat,work,joke,ask about how you're doing etc.,just like you do. If you mean extremists say just that. Those generalized comments don't speak highly of one's ability to analyze reality nor having a complex thinking process-which I'd like to think you do. And no it's also wrong for you to think the rest of the world's civilians like stockpiling guns 'just in case' - I'm not criticizing what you believe in in the USA about right-to-bear arms but that's not a general mentality elsewhere.

There is no gun control.

Every day you hear about someone shooting someone else or others.

The law is a joke when it comes to crime.

Yeah I agree the law is a joke... but gun control here as it is- it could be a zillion times worse if no effort was made. Alot of guns used in crimes are smuggled across the border. Compare our city/nationwide stats for gun-crimes compared to major US cities and note the difference. Europe is luckier imo since they're mostly bordered with each other not having an excess of guns to be had and smuggled across for crooks to use.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 12/07/07 11:20am

[Hellfighter]

Maybe its the prescription psychiatric drug treatment?How many young people do you know are on depression drugs or taking Ritalin?

www.infowars.net/articles/december2007/061207Shooter.htm



A must read!!!

I'm not sure about that angle- lotsa kids using drug teatments like that but there's no epidemic of them going on shooting sprees -usually it's about these spree-killing kids wanting to get even after the 'straw breaks' for them -whatver that may have been in the end of their life.

[PFC Mustangman]

Maybe its the prescription psychiatric drug treatment?How many young people do you know are on depression drugs or taking Ritalin?

www.infowars.net/articles/december2007/061207Shooter.htm



A must read!!!

I'm not sure about that angle- lotsa kids using drug teatments like that but there's no epidemic of them going on shooting sprees -usually it's about these spree-killing kids wanting to get even after the 'straw breaks' for them -whatver that may have been in the end of their life.

What about the people young and old who commit suicide but but don't go on a killing spree? I know of one suicide where a 55 yr.old women killed herself after getting on depression drugs.In my thoughts it's The school systems putting our children on drugs,some people can handle it,some can't.The Drug Companies are ruining our country.

[Cpt. Snot Rocket]

Well as soon as the Muslims complete their take over of France, Britain, and Germany, they probably will wish they had stockpiled a few Glock's. - Snot Rocket

hmmm, taking notes from the Bush 'Emergency False alerts' Playbook I see... you forgot to mention 'mushroom clouds' on the horizon in that comment though.
Why disparage a people of a faith in entirety when you know you mean radical extremists? Do you deliberately intend to slur the majority of law abiding citizens in that group... no I'm not picking on you Mr.Rocket but from firsthand experience when I lived in Europe[and even though I was born there] that's the junk I had to hear everyday from hatemongerors/dimwits regarding myself when growing up. When you're just trying to live a normal life and get through the day it's like getting shot out/gutpunch of nowhere hearing generalized stereotype fear-mongering stupidity about yourself based on an 'identifiable' group you're in

All the muslim friends I have are just that- they have no hidden agenda to take over nations with guns. They're soft spoken good people-eat,work,joke,ask about how you're doing etc.,just like you do. If you mean extremists say just that. Those generalized comments don't speak highly of one's ability to analyze reality nor having a complex thinking process-which I'd like to think you do. And no it's also wrong for you to think the rest of the world's civilians like stockpiling guns 'just in case' - I'm not criticizing what you believe in in the USA about right-to-bear arms but that's not a general mentality elsewhere. - Hellfighter

Those Muslim "friends" of yours are lax Muslims my friend. They are not devout Muslims. A devout Muslim knows what his duty is. Those "radical extremists" you mention ARE the faithful Muslims. This is another media / politically correct lie that you have bought into. This is the reason why all those "peaceful" Muslims don't condemn the extremists. Because they know the the extremists are correct!!!!!



Here's is my proof that those Muslims you know are not REAL Musilms. Straight out of the Q'uran:

WOMEN 004.089 "They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them" http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/quran/qsearch....p;action=search



Once the extemists get control they can brow beat or shame the "peaceful" Muslims into subservance by reading them the Q'uran!!!



The war against us infidels is on but we just don't want to acknoledge it. We will loose because we won't fight. But, I'm not going to live in some fantasy world and pretend it's not happening. God save us all.






Sorry guys, did not mean to hijak this thread! LoL!

[PFC Mustangman]

The neo-cons are afraid of Veterans.If they all shoot like Dickeey Chaney they ought to be.

www.infowars.net/articles/december2007/211207Zelman.htm

[Hellfighter]

Those Muslim "friends" of yours are lax Muslims my friend. They are not devout Muslims. A devout Muslim knows what his duty is. Those "radical extremists" you mention ARE the faithful Muslims. This is another media / politically correct lie that you have bought into. This is the reason why all those "peaceful" Muslims don't condemn the extremists. Because they know the the extremists are correct!!!!!



Here's is my proof that those Muslims you know are not REAL Musilms. Straight out of the Q'uran:

WOMEN 004.089 "They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them" http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/quran/qsearch....p;action=search



Once the extemists get control they can brow beat or shame the "peaceful" Muslims into subservance by reading them the Q'uran!!!



The war against us infidels is on but we just don't want to acknoledge it. We will loose because we won't fight. But, I'm not going to live in some fantasy world and pretend it's not happening. God save us all.


Sorry guys, did not mean to hijak this thread! LoL!

i think for myself- you may like to lump someone with views opposite to yours as 'buying into a trend', but that's a fantasy. Like others I assess my viewpoint looking at from various angles and sources.
The muslim friends I have are at various levels of Muslim 'devoutness' so that gives me the upperhand in telling you there's a difference between devout Muslims and extremist ones-rather than you taking the lofty position of what type they are without having met them- much like the difference between dedicated Christians and whackos like David Koresh-types- who you cannot argue knew his Bible quotes very well! But don't tell me you would consider him a man of Christian religion -> ie, refusing to let kids leave from his compound during the siege. Need I bring up the vitruous times in the West of Inquisitions in the name of Christian religion for hundreds of years?
No doubt extremists of whatever faith or belief want to crush the freedoms of those they can rule.
Extremists pervert religion as their cause -is there a need to make all Muslims seem like they're frothing at the mouth for the sake of their religion. Those extremists know their perverted ancient powers will be no more if the optimisms of democracy take root in the children and wives they're traditionally used to controlling.
We agree there.
It's easy enough for me to point out things in our 'version' of the Bible too that are not so glimmering- ie, where does it mention outrage at the battles of the 'good guys' slaughtering enemies/ why did the gospel by Mary get left out/ no spoken opposition to slavery etc.,
You miss my point dare I say again.... those -> devout Muslims you refer to are extremists- I know devout Muslims, and they aren't extremists.... once again I know the difference and there is a difference as to the broad brush stroke you wish to paint most Muslims as on the verge of overthrowing their goverments which wants us all wishing we had firepower at hand [ reminds me of how Afrikanners were told to get ready for a Dunkirk type of situation AND arm themselves to the teeth once they lost power to the majority they'd been suppressing for so long - well that was hyped up as we see now].
My point is,the fear mongering image is very divisive in society, the typical Muslim has done nothing to you personally. Analyze the difference and you'll see- get some Muslim friends and you'll see -> talk to them, then judge. Actually you'll find many who devoutly do their praying during the day but are otherwise funny as hell and you'd probably like them way more than me .
That's reality.... Creating monsters in one's mind is fantasy => 'muslim-Extremists' are hated by the typical Muslim-> why- because they get slaughtered by extremists -for condemning them - like many people in the 'hoods often don't help in giving up the gang-slime that commit crimes- and if you argue that it's easy to get rid off the extermists, you'd be wrong- as you should know they are low-life sneak artists that kill cowardly+ in disguised ways-it's hard to grab them and then not suffer later in reprisal.



This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 12/21/07 7:23pm

[PFC Mustangman]

Well when it really heats up your going to hand over your guns.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

[PFC Mustangman]

The war is on for our guns also.Bush is the enemy.

www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59770

[Spectre]

Well what i feel about people having guns is this. I own a couple guns for recreational shooting, hunting, and defense. Me and my father take care of them and keep then locked up and unloaded with the bullets in a different spot.

Well the fact of the matter is its still dangerous for us to have guns in the house. More people get killed when a person breaks in and takes there gun and shoots them. Also how often do you see that some kid got a gun and played around with it and shot himself, a friend or another.

I also don't think anyone needs a fully automatic weapon in there house what so ever. I know people collect them but get it like fixed where it can't be fired. Now if you want to have one to be fired i think we should have all automatic weapons kept at a shooting range and shoot it there.

If you really want reasonable gun control with out people going crazy you need to have places for them to shoot like shooting ranges but you cant take anything that not a single shot or over certain fire power from the shooting range. Then for you hunters we can get more wildlife parks and you can keep you weapon there and hunt there unless it meets the qualifications to take it to you home.


This is what i think will be the best gun control if there is ever one. It "helps" prevent idiots for caring guns and it will save the lives of more kids.

[Bargod]

Well as soon as the Muslims complete their take over of France, Britain, and Germany, they probably will wish they had stockpiled a few Glock's. - Snot Rocket

hmmm, taking notes from the Bush 'Emergency False alerts' Playbook I see... you forgot to mention 'mushroom clouds' on the horizon in that comment though.
Why disparage a people of a faith in entirety when you know you mean radical extremists? Do you deliberately intend to slur the majority of law abiding citizens in that group... no I'm not picking on you Mr.Rocket but from firsthand experience when I lived in Europe[and even though I was born there] that's the junk I had to hear everyday from hatemongerors/dimwits regarding myself when growing up. When you're just trying to live a normal life and get through the day it's like getting shot out/gutpunch of nowhere hearing generalized stereotype fear-mongering stupidity about yourself based on an 'identifiable' group you're in

All the muslim friends I have are just that- they have no hidden agenda to take over nations with guns. They're soft spoken good people-eat,work,joke,ask about how you're doing etc.,just like you do. If you mean extremists say just that. Those generalized comments don't speak highly of one's ability to analyze reality nor having a complex thinking process-which I'd like to think you do. And no it's also wrong for you to think the rest of the world's civilians like stockpiling guns 'just in case' - I'm not criticizing what you believe in in the USA about right-to-bear arms but that's not a general mentality elsewhere. - Hellfighter

Those Muslim "friends" of yours are lax Muslims my friend. They are not devout Muslims. A devout Muslim knows what his duty is. Those "radical extremists" you mention ARE the faithful Muslims. This is another media / politically correct lie that you have bought into. This is the reason why all those "peaceful" Muslims don't condemn the extremists. Because they know the the extremists are correct!!!!!



Here's is my proof that those Muslims you know are not REAL Musilms. Straight out of the Q'uran:

WOMEN 004.089 "They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them" http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/quran/qsearch....p;action=search



Once the extemists get control they can brow beat or shame the "peaceful" Muslims into subservance by reading them the Q'uran!!!



The war against us infidels is on but we just don't want to acknoledge it. We will loose because we won't fight. But, I'm not going to live in some fantasy world and pretend it's not happening. God save us all.






Sorry guys, did not mean to hijak this thread! LoL!

New Testament. Romans 1 :29-32 “Those filled with unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, hate for god, despite, proud, boasters, inventions of evil things, disobedience to parents, without understanding, covenant breakers, unnatural affection, implacable or unmerciful nature: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death”.

All of us who posted here are worthy of death to any "devout" Christian. If you don't take this verse literally you must not be a "real" Christian.

Sorry for the sarcasm. I haven't had much posting fun lately.

[Genocide Junkie]

Worthy of death does not say kill them where you find them. Maybe I'm looking at semantics here but I find them to be quite different.

[Hellfighter]

Worthy of death does not say kill them where you find them. Maybe I'm looking at semantics here but I find them to be quite different.

I think we can can all find each other different but the point is, a typical Muslim is not the extremist jihadist as some train of thoughts like to imply when the 'reality' is otherwise, and the labelling as such is misleading and divisive and only inspires impressionable younger minds here in West into building closed-minded walls as they growup against different religions when they normally wouldn't if they were not hammered with that koran snippets/propoganda -- much like jihadists are taught to hate normal Muslims, Christians and Jews -so in that sense the select section of people in societies twisting the well-meaning of religions into a perverted doctrine of intolerance are much alike. Although regular people are different, they are still much alike - lumping everyone in one boat as radicals doesn't help anyone.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 01/20/08 7:20am