Palin Options

[Robert]

Obama almost did what I said he needed to.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/cam...tml#cnnSTCVideo
Does that make anyone flash back to Hillary almost crying over how she loves America so much.
He had a golden opportunity to score big but he fumbled the ball.
Complaining about McCain taking something out of context an making it an issue, sorry but that comes from both parties. Then he weakens his point even more because as he said himself, the news was running with this story last night but then turns around an blames it on McCain.
He obviously came out prepared with those remarks but failed because he stopped short.
Pointed out how wrong McCain was even though he's done the same thing, though not as often.
Pointed out the problems facing American, says McCain doesn't have the answers but choked when he had a great opening to say "here I am with the answers to the problems facing America"
Lame.
Once again he falls short, where's the message?
Change?
Experience?
Hope?
Getting away from the established Washington politicians?



Other news that would spell problems for the Democrats if people were more informed.
For years a popular attack issue for Democrats has been the misleading belief that Republicans are in the pocket of corporate American. The truth is whoever is in control gets the most money as proven by this newest look at where Corp donations go
http://www.followthemoney.org/database/Ind...3220278d931535c
The other news, sadly most people won't hear about. The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste has just released their rankings for who's behind all the unneeded pork spending and earmarks.
They rate member on congress on a scale of 0 - 100, with 0 being bad and 100 being best.
The overall scores
Democrats 5
Republicans 60

Then if you break it down to individual members of congress the scores are
For 2007:
Mccain 100%
Obama 10%
Biden 0%
Obama is the candidate of change because his an Biden's scores are so bad they can only go up.
The CCAGW site
http://councilfor.cagw.org/site/PageServer...tings_AtaGlance
An individual congressional rankings
http://councilfor.cagw.org/site/DocServer/....pdf?docID=3242
Go down the list an read the votes to see which side the Dem were on, very different from the image the Dems try to portray.

"VOTE 1 Senate Vote 5: Ethics and Lobbying Overhaul –
Earmark Disclosure, S. 1. Sen. Durbin, D-Ill., motion to table
(kill) the DeMint, R-S.C., amendment to require the names of
earmark sponsors to be made public, mandate the disclosure of
earmark recipients, and expand the definition of an earmark to
include federal and non-federal projects. Motion rejected 46-51.
THE TAXPAYERS LOST."
A republican introduces an amendment to make earmarks and who supports them and who they benefit transparent to the public
Who shot it down? Sen. Durbin, D-Ill

[Hellfighter]

Robert trumps on this one;
Impressive call on your part and I'm impressed my initial opinion on Palin has been laid waste.
Obama campaign massively screwing up the last two weeks;
Ever since they made a play to shift centrally by supporting the domestic phone spying policy Obama's shine has been significantly tarnished regarding radical new changes he promised to bring to Washington.
McCain's campaign has been tactically brilliant;
Palin the right wing option McCain was lacking on his team
-cute looking , accomplished mom, son going off to war, former pageant contestant [all american] , a shaker, an outspoken challenger, little mud in her background; popular cheerleader, inspirational by deeds, female vote appeal; she's right wing in beliefs, but apparently she's a more of a moderate leader in practise; someone who can't be attacked voraciously without the attacker getting pimp-slapped for it.

It remains to be seen how she'll do in one on one debates, but the way Biden has been very very lack luster so far, he might end up getting owned.
Obama is wallowing in quicksand.... he has all the ammo he needs to pound at McCain but astoundingly he keeps on personally going after Palin; why doesn't he just shut up and completely ignore her is beyond belief. It's a simple formula the Dems are missing -leave her alone and in-so-doing diminish her validity....
LOL Where's Clinton's promised backing of Obama! She's the one who engineered the "disenchanted female vote/blue-collar worker class vote" that the McCainnites are brilliantly manoevering their way - for now......

A couple of real doofus head scratchers by the Obama / Biden team of late has been two- 'here's more ammo for you McCain' statements;
Obama declaring the 'surge has been extraordinarily successful' -paraphrasing.
What's he thinking! Wow-did he ever get rightfully [literally] pounded for it-lol;
He should say instead; "Because of the Sunnis Awakening Councils movement turning against al quaeda+their insurgent allies in Anbar Province and allying with the US surge effort which was formerly floundering last year, events in Iraq of late have been extraordiraily successful"......

And then Biden saying Hillary would have been a better VP choice than him -TWICE!! holy geezus

The Dems need to take time out and restrategize.

All Very interesting though- anyway Obama the newbie still holding up well in general vs. McCain the old-timer veteran- that's still impressive.
Focus on Afghanistan/Economy Obama -the issues!!!
Remember at the start of the election Race Hillary and Repubs laughed at Obama when he stated he'd go after terrorist targets in Pakistan; Another Bush policy flip-flop Obama should pounce on;
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26652785

-hey Robert i did call a close final race with McCain as the repub pick way back too -almost a year ago I believe -no time to check on that link........
Anyway, remember you asked how to solve the Iraq issue... it is definitely turning out to be the case that ONLY the Iraqis stepping up to the plate and their security forces taking the reins with confidence is the ONLY answer. McCain's 100 year policy is inconsequential and absurd. Obama should be harping on that and Bush with egg on his face. I laughed when he thought he'd twisted N.Korea into submission a few weeks ago; To me it was a big joke Korea and Iran ultimately want nuke weapons -it's a matter of time they get them secretly somehow. Now-yesterday we see by satellite pics that N.Korea has another missile site they've been secretly building during Bush's smug no-nuke disarmament 'negotiations' with them.

lolz, Hamma - I'm still predicting an outside event will tip it all the Dems way in the end....but at the mo' Dems are scrambling bigtime -for no reason but by their own devices imo.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 09/11/08 7:21am

[Robert]

Always happy to see a post from my favorite neighborhood hellfaire. One small point I would like to make.
"McCain an his 100 year plan" is one of the biggest misrepresentations put out by the Dems. Who by the way always claim only Republicans do it.

I think by the end of the wek you'll see Obama get back to doing what he does best.
Obama's Acceptance Speech
Obama : There Will be Bamboozling
J/K

[Hellfighter]

........
"McCain an his 100 year plan" is one of the biggest misrepresentations put out by the Dems. Who by the way always claim only Republicans do it.

haha-> Actually I'm just tauntingly sticking the boot in on that '100 year plan' jab [ie, being a dickhead ] -I'm sure he meant that comment for impression's sake only -that plus he'll only be in office one term if he becomes Prez.
He was more correct with his 2013 pullout plan he proposed in the summer.
I'm pretty sure most Dems are just teasing too on that point.
Realistically America will be in good shape in 2009, once the campaign's over I think level-headed leadership will prevail that's more or less acceptable to all citizens regardless of who wins. Only thing that concerns me is Palin as a VP in the international game/or if she needs to step in as Prez.... but I'll wait to see her in her debates on that to see what her intellectual/contemplative style is like.

ps.The way Obama has been fizzling the last month and acting like a punching bag, I think the statement of yours- re: "....Palin stealing someone's thunder..." should be "Palin thundering over Obama's drizzle"


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 09/11/08 10:41am

[Genocide Junkie]

I heard something the other day. Not sure if it's true but if so I find it funny. The murder rate in Chicago for the summer months is higher than the number of troop deaths in Iraq for the same time period. Perhaps it's time for a surge in Chicago. I'm too lazy to actually look for facts but I found that interesting if true.

[Robert]

Actually you're right. The fact didn't get major press but here it is.
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In May, cbs2chicago.com began tracking city shootings and posting them on Google maps. Information compiled from our reporters, wire service reports and the Chicago Police Major Incidents log indicated that 125 people were shot and killed throughout the city between the start of Memorial Day weekend on May 26, and the end of Labor Day on Sept. 1.

According to the Defense Department, 65 U.S. soldiers were killed in combat in Iraq over that same period.

Also during the same period, an estimated 247 people were shot and wounded in the city.
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An the reason why this is interesting.
*Obama voted against a proposal to criminalize contact with a gang for any convicts on probation or out on bail.
*In 2001, Obama was one of just nine senators to vote against a bill that toughened penalties for violent crimes committed during gang activity.
*Obama voted "present" on a bill requiring juveniles to be prosecuted as adults for firing a firearm on or near school property.
*Voted 'No' on making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (HB1812, 2001)
*Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home. (so a kid steals your gun and shots someone at school it's a felony for you, but the kid shouldn't be prosecuted as an adult?)
*Obama also voted against a bill permitting gun owners to claim self-defense when using a gun in their homes if the local community bans the use of handguns. (So a bad guy breaks into your house and you shot them and then they arrest you for having an illegal gun )

The last two really piss me off.
BTW, The National Criminal Justice Association gives him a rating of 75, which is only one point away from being labeled "soft on crime"

[Hellfighter]

..........
An the reason why this is interesting.
*Obama voted against a proposal to criminalize contact with a gang for any convicts on probation or out on bail.
*In 2001, Obama was one of just nine senators to vote against a bill that toughened penalties for violent crimes committed during gang activity.
*Obama voted "present" on a bill requiring juveniles to be prosecuted as adults for firing a firearm on or near school property.
*Voted 'No' on making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (HB1812, 2001)
*Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home. (so a kid steals your gun and shots someone at school it's a felony for you, but the kid shouldn't be prosecuted as an adult?)
*Obama also voted against a bill permitting gun owners to claim self-defense when using a gun in their homes if the local community bans the use of handguns. (So a bad guy breaks into your house and you shot them and then they arrest you for having an illegal gun )

The last two really piss me off.
BTW, The National Criminal Justice Association gives him a rating of 75, which is only one point away from being labeled "soft on crime"

Actually any wrist-slapping of gang members gets me growling... If I was Prez Hellfairie I'd accept being impeached AFTER rolling out National Guard APCs onto every corner of a gang neighbourhood territory and round up gang leaders and put them all on a version of Devil's Island.... any mini Napoleon's that try to take over the vacated spots get rounded up too. I'm kind of serious with implementing such draconian methods. Young lives are getting blown away at horrific rates but we have successions of Presidents who don't give a damn to play hardball for once in order to let these neighbourhoods live in peace.... at the borders drug smugglers caught also take a trip to Devil's Island now matter how preppy they are either -no free passes or commuted sentences -> judges who pansy around with light sentencing also go to Devil's Island.... while we're at it, weak-assed politicians letting crime ridden neighbourhoods in their jurisdiction, also end up on the island.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 09/11/08 4:20pm

[Shred]

Doh.

Foreign policy not her strength. She should dodge those questions.

[Robert]

This election cycle is just amazing
McCain has made some really good moves while Obama has made some stupid ones.
Obama's campaign has spent millions trying to enforce the idea McCain is more of the same. With the Palin pick McCain went contrary to what was expected leaving Obama's main criticisms by the side of the road. Not only that Palin helped him a lot more than Obama's safe pick of Biden.
Now in a desperation move, Obama has decided to go negative and has told the 527's to also go hard negative.
The move to negative makes Obama come across as weak and desperate. He plays a lot better as the positive candidate. He had a great opportunity to stick it to McCain over his recent negative ads but made the mistake to try an beat McCain at the negative add game. I think this was a huge mistake on his part, should have just left the 527's do the dirty work while he stayed positive and made McCain look like the bad guy. With his newest ad, he losses all right to claim moral outrage over the McCain's neg ad campaign.
Not only that but his 1st attempt at a negative add sucks ass...
McCain is so out of touch he doesn't know how to use a computer or email.
The Repub's will have a field day with this because the reason McCain doesn't use a computer is not because he's illiterate about modern technology. The real reason is he has limited dexterity in his hands and fingers. The wounds he received as a POW, prevent him from using a keyboard.
Of all the issues they could attack MCain on they pick this one? I think this is going to come back an hunt Obama over the next 2 months. Talk about Major failure, It's almost as bad as Biden saying he wasn't the best pick for VP. Think about it, how much support will the Repub's be able drum up over Obama's stupid attempt to us McCain's war injuries against him.
Now because of a few stupid mistakes by Obama an some smart moves by McCain, McCain is not only ahead in the popular vote polls ( Which don't really matter ) but also moved ahead in the electoral college. I don't think anyone expect Obama to lose his rather sizable lead in the electoral college, his campaign has to be freaking out right now.

[Shred]

Someone ask this chick how she is going to deal with Chavez.

I say put an American made grenade up his ass.

[THE Mechanic]

[quote name='Shred' date='09/14/08 6:38am' post='173502'] Someone ask this chick how she is going to deal with Chavez.

I say put an American made grenade up his ass.

For starters Shred she will be wearing this to the thier first meeting.Just to get his attention.



And if i know you, you'll love this outfit...shred you dog!!



"T.M."

[Hellfighter]

This election cycle is just amazing
McCain has made some really good moves while Obama has made some stupid ones.
........ his campaign has to be freaking out right now.

Haha.... of course I disagree....

Obama made several dumb moves over the last 2 months , but to his credit, he still remains a mighty foe to the mighty McCain - many had LONG predicted it was now Obama would crumble under the weight of McCain's expected tornado of attacks. Obama still stands.

And now the Achilles heel of the McCain/Palin ticket is fully exposed and ripe to be slashed open.
First, Palin shows her TOTAL lack of aptitude for worldly affairs should she become President in taking over McCain [ in his early 70s and a multiple cancer survivor.]

post 09/11/08 10:35am
........ Only thing that concerns me is Palin as a VP in the international game/or if she needs to step in as Prez.... but I'll wait to see her in her debates on that to see what her intellectual/contemplative style is like.

I got my answer the day after -loud and clear!
To see her plainly bluffing her way through her concept of the Bush Doctrine was astoundingly disturbing. This is serious business. I'm inclined to believe she'd be totally dependant on being told how to dictate foreign affairs due to her apparent non-interest in the complexities of that facet of being a world leader.

Then we have McCain.... again making an astonishing comment on the day the market crumbles 500 points!He declares as he's done nearly 2 dozen times this year that the economy is 'fundamentally' sound.
The repeated remark clearly has the conservative base jittery.

Now McCain and Palin who belong to the party which is typically ALL for government deregulation -which led to the shenanigans of financial bigwigs screwing themselves up royally by running rampant with foolhardy schemes- these two candidates are puffing themselves up as the ultimate fighters to 'the old boys network' in Washington to bring change.

All that is going to be slammed against McCain and Palin with the upcoming one on one debates; We'll see Palin crumble like a house of cards in spite of the emergency heavy duty 101 she'll be getting on international affairs. McCain and Palin will now have to give specifics of their own policies and do away with making shallow cheerleading statements about promising to change Washington REALISTICALLY - the bulldog-sarcastic style of Palin will soon pale in comparison to how she'll be scrambling to give details of her party's stands on issues -> interestingly enough McCain and Palin differ on several issues.....

It seems now enough Dem-people have thrown cold water in Obama's face and told him to smarten up and get back in his normal stride-which in the past few days he's been doing very well..... Clinton's are now on board too.
The Repubs can feel the ground shaking under their feet.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 09/16/08 7:26pm

[UNDEAD 1]

i wonder how this guy will vote ?



http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html

[Shred]

Can we just swap Palin with Tina Fey?

She knows more about politics.

[Robert]

Obama made several dumb moves over the last 2 months , but to his credit, he still remains a mighty foe to the mighty McCain - many had LONG predicted it was now Obama would crumble under the weight of McCain's expected tornado of attacks. Obama still stands.

And now the Achilles heel of the McCain/Palin ticket is fully exposed and ripe to be slashed open.
First, Palin shows her TOTAL lack of aptitude for worldly affairs should she become President in taking over McCain in his early 70s and a multiple cancer survivor.

Nice use of liberal talking points there.
I'm surprised you didn't go all the way an use the one about her being a heartbeat away from the presidency. You do realize this is a stupid attack point as Obama is just as lacking on foreign relations experience.
I didn't claim Obama was on his death bed but the 3 important battle ground states he previously had locked up are now back up for grabs. I guarantee you what has happened over the last 2 weeks was totally unexpected by Obama's campaign.





........ Only thing that concerns me is Palin as a VP in the international game/or if she needs to step in as Prez.... but I'll wait to see her in her debates on that to see what her intellectual/contemplative style is like.
I got my answer the day after -loud and clear! To see her plainly bluffing her way through her concept of the Bush Doctrine was astoundingly disturbing. This is serious business. I'm inclined to believe she'd be totally dependant on being told how to dictate foreign affairs due to her apparent non-interest in the complexities of that facet of being a world leader.
I got a lot of laughs the next day when the talking heads gave Palin scathing reviews about her supposed lack on information concerning the "Bush Doctrine". Want to know why I found it so funny? It's because 3 different political analyst all condemned Plain for supposedly not know what the Bush Doctrine was but all 3 gave completely different explanations about what it is.
The 1st one defined it as preemptive strikes to defend American interest.
The 2nd one said it concerned identifying states which protected terrorist as terrorist states and part of the new axis of evil
The last one was the only person to get it right because they referenced the 2002 National Security Strategy document, which is the Bush Doctrine as can be read here
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.pdf
Even the way Gibson himself defined the Bush Doctrine in the interview would be inaccurate.
BTW I think it's worth pointing out this whole issue is stupid because the Bush Doctrine ends when he leaves office. I don't remember anyone asking Presidential nominee in 2000 about the Clinton Doctrine.

Speaking of Gibson's interview I found it laughable how he conducted it when compared to his interview with Obama
Obama interview:
How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to "win"?
How does your family feel about your "winning" breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor's [Clinton] speech?
Palin interview:
Do you have enough qualifications for the job you're seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
Aren't you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
Questions about foreign policy
-territorial integrity of Georgia
-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
-NATO treaty
-Iranian nuclear threat
-what to do if Israel attacks Iran
-Al Qaeda motivations
-the Bush Doctrine
-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan
Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

Can you honestly not see the difference between the two interview and the bias?
Obama's was a total fluff piece while thru crafty editing purposefully made Plain look bad.
I found this review of the Gibson interview dead on
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/...palin-interview
Or here is a full transcript of the interview, very different than what was broadcast
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5795641






Then we have McCain.... again making an astonishing comment on the day the market crumbles 500 points!He declares as he's done nearly 2 dozen times this year that the economy is 'fundamentally' sound.
The repeated remark clearly has the conservative base jittery.
Now McCain and Palin who belong to the party which is typically ALL for government deregulation -which led to the shenanigans of financial bigwigs screwing themselves up royally by running rampant with foolhardy schemes- these two candidates are puffing themselves up as the ultimate fighters to 'the old boys network' in Washington to bring change.
I agree it was a terrible sound byte, which Obama used to his full advantage.
Yet, Obama fell short again. while he complained about McCain's remark he made no statement about how he would improve things. All he could do if fall back on his stump speech of pointing out how bad thing are so vote for me "Mr Hope and Change", while completely failing to address how he will change things.

Also you completely mischaracterize McCain's stance on deregulation, he was the one calling for more oversight 3 years ago an partially predicted the financial collapse of Fannie May an Freddy Mac. Which is why he co-sponsered the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005. Which was shot down by demcrat leaders. Then the Republicains tried again two years later with the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2007.
Barney Frank the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee is the one who killed the bill stating
''Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.
Good call Mr. Democrat, yet people are jumping all over McCain for saving the fundamentals of the American economy are strong? Which BTW I wouldn't completely disagree with, after all it's not like Russia who had to shut down their markets because the loses were mounting
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...refer=worldwide
Would it have been better to run around crying the sky is falling?





You think Obama/Biden will devastate McCain/Palin during the debates?
Are you on drugs? Obama is the one who wanted to limit the debates and flatly refused to do any town hall style talks. It will be a waste for Biden to go after Palin during their debates because she will be busy going after Obama and his platform.
You mentioned how McCain an Palin differ on several issue. Are you aware the same thing could be said about Biden an Obama.
They differ on:
Iraq
The Surge
Obama previous stance on early withdraw from Iraq
Taxes
Military
Most importantly, while Biden was mainly picked for his foreign policy experience, Biden and Obama are very different on that subject.