What REALLY happened on 9/11, the truth of 9/11... carry an open mind. Options

[Too Exclusive]

oh, 8 hours big woop... did you SEE those fires??? they were miniscule at best... all i gotta say to the claim about the fires eventually getting hot enough to weaken the steel is this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/13/spain.block.fire/
u see that fire burned for 17.5 hours, less technologically advanced building, THE WHOLE UPPER HALF ENGULFED WITH WHITE FLAMES, THE 2ND HOTTEST.

now look at these pics of the fires @ building 7:
http://members.aol.com/erichuf/eh_wtc16.jpg
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/fig_5_19a.jpg

now compare the two fires with a little common sense and ANY person with common sense will say "wow that first fire burned for TWICE as long and was a RAGING INFERNO WITH WHITE FLAMES, was a less technologically advanced building, and it didnt collapse while the second one had a few small fires here and there that were quite cool (red and yellow) and it DID collapse..." then the person with common sense would innevitably ask the question "y?"

This post has been edited by Too Exclusive: 02/17/05 8:28pm

[ScarFace]

You are a fucking idiot. Are those buildings build like the WTC? Did a 180 ton jet fly into any of those? Are you an expert on the fires that went on in the building? YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. Your comparing apples to oranges. You know you seriously need to remove your head from your ass.

You said so your self that it takes weeks and time to prepare a building to be taken down with demolition charges. They didn't just magically prep the building during all the fires. THINK IDIOT THINK!

Also in the video THERE is no mention of any demolition charges being used. Don't try to make something out of nothing. Just cause you think or assume that's what he ment doesn't mean anything.

Here's a the problem. You found all this non sense on the net and you decided to believe it. It's pretty obvious that you didn't even bother looking anything up. So now you think your a profenstional on all that shit just cause you managed to read pages full some made up shit? Guess what? You don't know anything. I don't know why but you decided to come here and repost all that shit from your links that you posted. So you have all this crap here and you can't back most of it up. Wow that's some good work there Detective Dipshit.

[Too Exclusive]

A PLANE DIDNT HIT BUILDING 7, DIPSHIT! i mentioned this already, ive looked up everything NUMEROUS times...it's not like i just look at these pages and believe everything i hear. there's lots of 9/11 theories i DONT believe. and also, i KNOW buildings have to be prepped to be demo'd, that's the whole point of PRIOR KNOWLEDGE. the importance in larry silverstein's admission is that it proves they not only had prior knowledge but were involved. now if larry DIDNT mean take down the buildings with controlled demolition charges he would've said something like "they made that decision to pull it but shortly after the building collapsed" not "and then we watched it collapse"... he could've at least said "then we saw it collapse"... would've sound more like it wasn't a controlled demolition. if ANYBODY is that thickheaded that they can't see that the leaseholder of WTC himself admitted a building was taken down with controlled demolitions then hell, god have mercy on his soul and may he some day wake up.

[rocky_and_bullwinkle]

I havnt done much research on this topic, but I believe that the crux of your argument SHOULD be possible motives for the government to "fabricate" the attacks (is this even what you are trying to prove, or just that their is inconsistency with what the media has told us.)

to get more profits from war

Im not quite sure what you mean by "profit." Please explain. War with Afghanistan?, Iraq?, Terrorists?

to further the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) and Wolfowitz Doctrine (you can look them both up online) policies that clearly state we need a war in iraq and afghanistan and this would be sped up by a "pearl harbor" event

This may be true. But if you think that the government in any way will condone the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans just to gain a political international foothold, then you are not an American. You gotta keep it in perspective.

to get MORE control over us (PATRIOT ACT![1 and 2]), to further the police state, bring us one step closer to a dictatorship

Why does the government want to control us? I believe that their are enough intelligent people to know that we shouldnt rise up in anarchy. Think about it, deaths of many to gain a small control over the people. Cmon now, this doesnt make much sense.

You also must remember that at the end of the day, politicians are people. They have dedicated their whole loves to the American cause, and I really dont think they would compromise the US in any detrimental way.

[aelphaeis_mangarae]

the heat from the fuel would have "weakened" structure

Ahh no, the fire itself was extremely weak, the lack of flames and intense black smoke would point to the fire being at about 250 degree's Celcius.

The tower would of not collapsed if RDX explosives were not place in them, simple as that.

And the concrete would not turn to dust, it would crack and break but not pulverise, there is not enough energy to do so.

The steel from the building WOULD NOT be ripped into shreads, this is absolutely ridiculous, something with great force did this, not the building falling down.

9/11 Was An Inside Job...get over it...

[ScarFace]

A paragraph one refers to the WTC as it is stated.

The rest refers to the video and building 7.

I think you have confused yourself enough.

[Bargod]

I consider myself a conspiracy theory "buff". The reason I don't buy into the 911 conspiracy theories are two-fold.
1. A conspiracy works best when few people are involved. You need a big lie that not many people can dipute. Countless people have been involved in the attack that took place on 9/11. Many people have disagreed witht the government actions that have taken place. Nobody actually involved said it didn't occur the way it was shown to have occured. I have personal anecdotes from a close friend who saw the plane hit the pentagon. He was working security in the area at the time. He clearly saw the plane hit. End of story there. He gained nothing by lying to me as he cried the next day on the phone while we talked.
2. I don't remember what my second point was. All I know is that at best I'll believe that the Penn. plane was shot down. I can buy into the government telling us the people on board were heroes, when in actuality they shot the plane down to avoid another great tragedy. But to believe that there was a concerted effort by our government to create a reason to invade middle eastern countries, a reason that caused thousands of deaths, is absurd.
Lyndon Johnson had JFK killed.
GW Bush did not kill thousands for an Iraqi war.

[Too Exclusive]

alright what about building 7... do u believe their theory of "pull it" like pull power or somethin like that or the controlled demolition lingo for "pulling" down a building? cause dont forget the context, he made it sound like whatever "pulling" the building meant was related to it collapsing, because they made that decision to "pull" and then they watched the building collapse. in his words. not to mention the building fell .5 of a second slower than a complete freefall in a vacuum... which is insane considering air resistance and everything.

[Penny]

Benny Hinn -- The quote from Rumsfeld proves absolutely nothing, not to mention there is no evidence the plane was shot down.
ScarFace -- Now the airplane that crashed in Pennsilvania was not shot down. Just look the crash site. If an airplane was shot in mid air the explose alone would have scattered the pieces around in a couple of mile radius. Now did you see parts and piece of the plane scattered around nicely everywhere? Neither did I.
blk96gt -- You heard eye witness reports huh. From where? Did you talk to these people first hand? Or was this taken from one of those dumbass sites you go to? Again, please show me where you get this info from. Don't say, teh intraw3b d00d, no shit shirlock, give me a specific url that doesn't require me to click through a bunch of shit to find it.

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Here are the facts;
1. The debris was scattered over an 8 mile radius
2. The debris was blown into tiny pieces
3. Witnesses in the area reported to hear a loud explosion whilst the plane was still in the air, and seeing military jets

None of this could occur, obviously, if the plane just crashed as stated. Here is an eye witness account of the plane getting shot down (audio). Link

remember when you seen the plane hit the towers the plane tore apart the intregerty of the towers

One fact that most people do not know is that these buildings were over engineered to withstand major storms, and yes, even large hits from major airliners.
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They were built with 47 enormous interior steel columns, together with 236 huge exterior columns, that were bolted and welded together with steel plates. Further there were steel trusses that criss-crossed which meshed over other exterior steel columns, plus there was diagonal bracing and steel rods connecting the trusses. There were also corrugated panes with poured concrete on every floor and all of this was anchored by a very deep and heavy foundation, overall roughly 200,000 lbs.
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The buildings were architecturally designed to absorb energy and a sway in storms, and according to witnesses who were in the building, relatively near to where the planes made contact, the towers briefly swayed for seconds as intended, other witnesses say that the noise and blast were significant but the tremor felt at the point of contact was minimal.
A subcontractor for UL wrote a recent letter to the Feds, stating that he was involved in the testing of the World Trade Center steel, and that it would have withstood the fires, "The buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel." Kevin Ryan.
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the steel failed becauce of the impact of the plane. along with the heat generated in the fire(s) as a result. the fire proofing (foam) that was used on the truss and structural beams was inadaquate.

It must also be remembered that large amounts of the jet fuel exploded outside of the building, the exterior columns were exposed to the air on three sides and naturally would dissolve heat at a fast rate, and the beams and columns were coated with fire proof materials.

The official story is that the buildings came down at point of contact because the intensity of the fires caused the trusses to push out the columns, yet when viewed the hole created in the North Tower by the plane, there are only relatively small fires, and the heat cannot be excessive because you can see people standing out and staring out the opening. How did this person survive an 800ºC inferno?

The top section of the South Tower began to tilt at approximately 9:59 am at this moment, suddenly a large amount of grey dust puffed out the building, the 35 stories of the top section continued to tip to 23 degrees past vertical.
At this point the upper segment was hanging over the edge approximately at 65 degrees.
In frame by frame pictures one can see the mushroom of grey cloud enveloping the building. As this is happening one can also see debris being blown away from the building with an obvious powerful blast.

Then as the top section disappeared the whole 1350 foot tower came down in an incredible (estimated) speed of 10.4 seconds. The tower was then nothing but total pulverized remains.

Government story is that this building experienced a compression or ‘pancake’ demolitions caused from weaken trusses and weight from above.
At first this explanation sounds plausible. However common sense would indicate that the centre of gravity of the top section was not centered over the lower section. (Refer back to the link about the construction of the towers)

Thus if there was a compression of the building, it would not be uniform because the center of gravity was considerably off center.
Secondly, the severed top section that was tilting very much over the edge would fall somewhat independently. This is just common science and basic physics.
Third this section would fall at a faster rate than the anchored lower section because it would not meet the residence of the non damaged lower sections of the tower.
Fourth, the top and lower sections would break into pieces – they would not pulverize.
None of these four things happened!

you are being taken captive by a group with an agenda that has blossmed into a monster. beware of those who tell you what to think, as you say our government has done.

think about this, which is easier? to make a country, a world, believe something that is not, or to make a small eager, anonymous group of interneters follow?

When Rome was still a functioning republic Roman judges would always ask the question: Cui Bono? Or Who Benefits?
When we ask ourselves this simple question we see:
a) The arms dealers are selling hundreds of billions of dollars in new weaponry. Cui Bono?

The “elite” who own the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank have created over $1 Trillion in new loans, in the last year alone. Cui Bono?

c) Aerial Sharon and his group of hard liner political Zionist are jumping for joy because they have been pushing the U.S for years to aggressively attack Arab nations.
When Aerial Sharon said: “I don’t care what the American people think, I own the Congress!” this should create concern for all Americans, as he is probably correct. Cui Bono?

d) The multi-national oil corporations have taken control of the rich Caspian oil fields and now have the eyes set on Iraq, followed by Iran etc… Cui Bono?

e) The “elite” have always known that the freedom loving, god conscious people of the U.S were always going to be there biggest problem. With 9/11 many Americans have become so afraid and so confused that they are willing to turn over their rights for “promised security”. People have become enslaved by this bogus control mechanism.

You bring disgrace upon yourself and your family for dishonoring the victims and heros of 9-11 with your paranoid rhetoric.

When the victim’s families are part of a nation wide movement which seeks to re-open the case of 9/11 but Bush & Co. have not given them any relief or answers, are they disgracing themselves?
Fact is 47% of people in New York feel there is a 9/11 cover-up and many upon many feel 9/11 should be re-opened. Oddly enough the administration is refusing to open the case, why? I’m not sure, all the victims’ families want are some simple answers, but their not getting them.
So in future refrain from narrow perspective statements, thanks.
A 7 billion dollar legal suit has been brought against Bush and other governmental administrators by 400 hundred families who lost relatives on 9/11. Link The suit is claiming that Bush allowed the terrorist attacks to occur.

every attempt to confuse the population is to side with terrorist thoughts, which you are, dirtys the flag. get on board son, get with the winning team. everyone knew and has knowen that we will be waging war with more of the middle east. syria and N korea and probally SA. do i give a shit. no. the reason why, the gov. would not have done a act to kill countless people, is the whole gov would have to be evil. someone would come forward, some one would do whats right and the gov. would have fallen and every gov. offical would be swinging from the street lights.
get a grip
get a clue
guess ill stop my rant...but you know what we all have properganda filling our heads, but ill stick to the shit thats gonna help my country, my men, and my family.
GOD BLESS THE USA AND THE SOILDERS THAT PROTECT HER!
now go fuck ur self...

The winning team? Siding with the terrorists? *sigh* again I ask are the families who are still looking for answers and who feel that the administration knew of the attacks are they terrorists …………… ? To be honest you don’t know what your talking about, you think you do but you don’t, go ahead and reply with something absurd like this post, but the fact is the PNAC documents predict future wars in the Middle East, saying such things as not allowing any other nation within these regions to build up, and securing the vast natural resources which exist there.
I believe it says ‘revolution in these areas should take a long time, unless there is a sudden crisis of epidemic proportions, like a new pearl harbour’ Oddly enough these same people who wrote the PNAC document, which are now serving in the administration have called 9/11 ‘The New Pearl Harbour’.
What they have done via their friends in the media is to manipulate your vulnerable emotions, and successfully tied Iraq and 9/11 together and have convinced the US people that Saddam is just as bad as Osama Bin Laden.
And that’s exactly where you fall, I’m sure you listen closely to Bush & Co. about how to preserve America’s freedom. But like I said you don’t understand that this war has been in planning since the early 1990’s and 9/11 offers the perfect pretext.

Eventually the rods were hot enough to bend which caused the whole floor with the jet to fall down. So you have this gigantic weight falling down to the next floor. Now this is were your explosions come in. Take a contrete block for example. Now put it under extreme pressure. The contrete EXPLODES into dust. This is exactly what you see in the videos off the building when it collapses. Each floor falls on top of another crushing it THUS CAUSING EVERYTHING TO EXPLODE OUTWARD. So the building collapses in a straight line just LIKE IT WAS INTENDED to do if an airplane crashed into it.

Read what I posted above with regards to WTC capacity to withstand such unexpected circumstances.
Just a note you may want to record the times in which the WTC’s fell. It will give you a very compelling answer.

Do you belive the world is secretly ran by the Illuminati?
Don't know how you come up with this craziness
The facts
Starting in 1979 the US gave funds to bin Laden to help Afghan resistance fighters, repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. This funding ended in 1984
al-Qeada wasn't formed until 1989 which is 5 years after the USA stopped funding the Afghan Resistance
1991 Bin Laden is expelled from Saudi Arabia due to his anti-government activities.
1996 The United States indicts bin Laden on charges of training the people involved in the 1993 attack that killed 18 U.S. servicemen in Somalia.
1998 The United States indicts bin Laden on charges of masterminding the attacks on U.S. embassies

Now tell me how you connect the dots to claim al-Qaeda was founded, funded, and trained by our government.

Lol, ok ………….. let me put it this way to you. Take a note of who is represented in the Council of Foreign Relations, go learn about the major world banks and which families control and operate them. Maybe then you may understand something, let me put it this way, when you own the big banks, the media, governments essentially you have more power to dictate world affairs.
Again go research about the Bilderberg group and why all corporatist of the world attend this annual conference.
As soon as the 9/11 events began unfolding the so called experts immediately showed up on TV, and guess what? Most of them are part of the Council of Foreign Relations or C.F.R.
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The C.F.R is the primary political organization of the “elite” in the United States and is described by former Senator and presidential candidate Barry Goldwater as:
“An offshoot of a British secret society whose purpose is to destroy the sovereignty of the United States and create a One World Government”

In 1979 the C.I.A initiated a massive program of covert military aid to indigenous Islamic tribes in Afghanistan and Islamic volunteers from other nations who were in opposition to the Soviet military invasion of that country.
The Soviets had formed a coalition with several Afghani tribes from the North of that country (the Northern Alliance). The tribe that was supported by the C.I.A was called the Mujahadeen, Ronald Reagan termed them as ‘freedom fighters’ of central Asia, elements within the Mujahadeen later branched off to become Al’Qaeda, and again with full C.I.A support and funding.

The leader of Al’Qaeda is Osama Bin Laden, who had been educated in Europe. Osama Bin Laden’s father was Sheikh Mohammad Bin Laden who founded and built Bin Laden Brothers Construction Company. It was later renamed to the ‘Saudi Bin Laden Group’. It should also be noted that from the early 1980’s Osama Bin Laden was a C.I.A asset, who’s Western cover name was Tim Osman. Link

The Bin Laden family is one of the wealthiest in Saudi Arabia, and has built dozens of American military bases in the Middle East. The Bin Laden family is closely connected with the ruling Sheiks of Saudi Arabia, and have strong political connections around the world. The beauty about their relationship is that whenever a U.S embassy gets bombed it’s this very same company which builds them a new one.
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The Bin Laden family and the Bush family have been friends and business partners for many years. In 1977 George Bush Jr. started Arbusto Energy Co. in Midlen Texas. One of his first and major investors was Saleen Bin Laden who at that time had become the president of the Saudi Bin Laden Group. Saleen happened to be the older brother of Osama Bin Laden.
Another interesting connection is Sheikh Khalid Bin Mahfouz. Mahfouz is one of the richest men in the world and also a major investor in Arbusto and was a business partner with George Bush Jr. He was also Operational Director of the corrupt B.C.C.I between 1986 and 1990 Link
According to C.I.A director James Woolsey in testimony to the US senate in 1998, Mahfouz was a major contributor to Osama and Al’Qaeda, oh one more connection for you is; Mahfouz’s sister is Osama’s wife, what a big happy family.

Al’Qaeda was involved in the bombings of the U.S Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 which killed 224 people. Al’Qaeda was also responsible for the suicide bombing of the U.S.S Cole which killed 25 American sailors in 2000.

Yemen and Sudan offered to extradite Osama Bin Laden after the bombings of the embassies and the U.S.S Cole. However secretary of state Madeline Albright (who was appointed by Bill Clinton) refused to take Osama Bin Laden.
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John O’Neil was a deputy director of the F.B.I and resigned his post in disgust because of interference from both the Clinton and Bush administration in the investigation of Al’Qaeda.
John O’Neil: “The main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were U.S oil corporate interests.”
After stating this Mr. O’Neil had the misfortune to be hired as the Director of Security of the World Trade Center, starting his first day on the job on………. September 11th 2001, he was killed on that day.
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The United States government spends $40,000,000,000 of the U.S citizens tax money on the F.B.I, N.S.A, and C.I.A. These same organisations helped finance and create Al’Qaeda, and have been monitoring closely, the Taliban, Al’Qaeda, and Osama Bin Laden for the past decade.
Yet all these government agencies with all their money, all their technology, all their superiority flatly state that they had no prior knowledge that such an attack would occur. This is all you need to know about that statement – utter and complete nonsense.
After the attacks these same government agencies were rewarded with significant increases in funding and were lauded by the U.S administration and the press, this is completely disgusting.

the term pull is in strict reference to pull man power from building seven, no man power was assigned to be inside operations so why say pull? answer just because there was no inside operations, outside opps ad inc comand was set up. notable man power that could be used. no ff opps were put in place and no FF attempts were made the building burned till it was unstable from falling debris and extreme heat took the tensile strength away from the steel. its a fact.

No it’s not, as mentioned it is to demolish. Why pull?
The World Trade Center land lease was sold to Mr. Larry Silverstein for $100 million just a short time prior to the attacks. He put a very large insurance premium on the complex even though the buildings were experiencing a higher than normal vacancies and had significant asbestos problems, strange behaviour to say the least.
This man is now trying to get double the amount of his insurance coverage – $7.1 billion, which is not a bad return for something that was so “unexpected”.
How much did he actually benefit? In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of World Trade Center 7.

Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in World Trade Center 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million!
Speaking about following the money it was said several times after the weeks of 9/11 that there was large international deposits of gold bullion that were deposited in a huge vault in the basement of the World Trade Centers. Gold is a very heavy element and though it could melt it would not be pulverized.
It has also been said that there was large digital deposits credited to the banks within the World Trade Center, hmm where did that gold go? Nobody seems to be saying anything. Say it with me – Bank Robbery. Link

Here's the problem. You found all this non sense on the net and you decided to believe it. It's pretty obvious that you didn't even bother looking anything up. So now you think your a profenstional on all that shit just cause you managed to read pages full some made up shit? Guess what? You don't know anything. I don't know why but you decided to come here and repost all that shit from your links that you posted. So you have all this crap here and you can't back most of it up. Wow that's some good work there Detective Dipshit.
ScarFace

More ignorance on your part, If you would even read up on who and what people are pushing for 9/11 to be re-opened you would realise that;
A – they know what their talking about
B – they don’t gain anything from “brainwashing” people to believe 9/11 was allowed to happen

Look what the government has gained, they now got to pass the Patriot Act as a result and again if you would do a little more research you would see that 9/11 has been orchestrated and the wars in the Middle East have nothing to do with “freedom preservation”. God how can people be so dumb! Get a clue then read something, geez to think that a couple of guys in a cave were able to orchestrate such an attack purely based on hatred of freedom (whilst it is evident that the government benefited a lot more as a result of the attack) is absurd. But hey the media is not about credibility anymore.

I will be back soon ………………

[realdeal]

Well you certainly hold the record for the longest first post. Congrats!
No go into the Intruduce Yourself forum and.... introduce yourself.

[Penny]

Alot of people will say why would he kill all those people for a war in Iraq.
There is a bigger agenda, and Iraq is just another piece, that's not me talking that's the PNAC document and Dick Cheney | Donald Rumsfeld etc ... talking.

[Silver]

wow i could have saved you all the trouble of posting that. Real Deal has a smilie for that jibberish. you didnt say anything. anything at all! this is so amazing that now i see why drug companys make billions! mind altering drugs will be in ur cup tonight! holly shit....

ok, you people are so far off the mark its not funny. you are looking for something to believe in and cannot see past your own blindness to see truth. im not blinded by paranoia or some sort of mental defiect. im not calling you names dont get me wrong. i really truly feel sorry for you. you inflict this upon your kids and family, and i know how much it must hurt them to hear you be this way. i truly hold the gov. mental health system for that.

you can believe what you want, thats ur right. building seven burned down due to high heat and damage from towers 1 & 2. heat does not have to be super hot to take the integerity form steel. fire is a strange thing. did you know that all fire is white? our eyes render it as orange or blue or red depending on the burning conditions. its mesured by heat ussally. but i dont expect you to know that. and its not important. fuel does not burn, nor does it explode. gasoline its self will not burn. the vapor that rises from it burns.

im not going into detail, i know people that were there. i trust what they said they have no reason to lie. thats what happened. end of story. blah blah blah rattle on but in the end people like you deserve to be medicated and observed. the gov is watching you......

[Too Exclusive]

you can believe what you want, thats ur right. building seven burned down due to high heat and damage from towers 1 & 2.  heat does not have to be super hot to take the integerity form steel.

oh, 8 hours big woop... did you SEE those fires??? they were miniscule at best... all i gotta say to the claim about the fires eventually getting hot enough to weaken the steel is this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/13/spain.block.fire/
u see that fire burned for 17.5 hours, less technologically advanced building, THE WHOLE UPPER HALF ENGULFED WITH WHITE FLAMES, THE 2ND HOTTEST.

now look at these pics of the fires @ building 7:
http://members.aol.com/erichuf/eh_wtc16.jpg
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/fig_5_19a.jpg

now compare the two fires with a little common sense and ANY person with common sense will say "wow that first fire burned for TWICE as long and was a RAGING INFERNO WITH WHITE FLAMES, was a less technologically advanced building, and it didnt collapse while the second one had a few small fires here and there that were quite cool (red and yellow) and it DID collapse..." then the person with common sense would innevitably ask the question "y?"

[Penny]

Here is a tip read the PNAC documents.

.. and I expected that type of answer, you asked evidence of the pane being shot down, I gave it to you.
Someone asked what would be the benefit of destroying WTC 7 I told you, etc ........ and all you say is you haven't proven anything.

Well that's enough, obviously you don't think 9/11 was an inside job, but for me to think that the US government was completely unaware of the attacks and had no prior knowledge is way too crazy for me to believe.
If you want I can give handful or articles where foreign leaders have gave the US reports of a possible attack.
What did the administration do? They fired anyone who tried to investigate the matter. If you don't believe me, please ask for links because their right in front of me.

Nevertheless I respect your opinions despite the fact that I don't agree with them, and I apologise if I had called you insulting names, it's just that I get frustrated because I have read the PNAC documents I know every move the US is going to do, and to be honest back in 2001 adfter 9/11 (and I'm being deadly serious) I told everyone that 'ok watch now they'll go into Iraq | Iran | Syria etc........' and heck 4 years later there doing this exact thing.
Either I'm a future teller or maybe just maybe after reading what this administration has written up years ago gives me an insight into what their agenda is regarding world politics.

Nevertheless keep it cool, and I'm sure we can find some common ground maybe not on this subject though.

Peace

This post has been edited by Penny: 02/18/05 8:20pm

[Silver]

Well that's enough, obviously you don't think 9/11 was an inside job, but for me to think that the US government was completely unaware of the attacks and had no prior knowledge is way too crazy for me to believe.

i never said that. our gov had prior warning i have heard for as long as 10 years before that we would fall under attack. i hold our gov responsible for not doing more to prevent them. we should have been able to spot these scum when they were being watched in the east for terrorist connections. but to totally prevent an act or knew exactly when and when i dont believe and cant hold responsible.