What REALLY happened on 9/11, the truth of 9/11... carry an open mind. Options

[Silver]

ok...if you were half of what you say u are you would have understood. you see what you need to see but are blinded from the emotion and human nature. you have a fucked up sense of people. you have good thoughts but no sense of what people are about, alot of smart people dont have that. its called faith.

[Too Exclusive]

i'm an atheist that's y i dont have faith. and about this whole human nature thing about ppl being guilty feeling guilty for it and ppl not wanting to go along with it or what not (argument was brought up a long time ago), i'll use another historical example for this. did you ever learn about the holocaust? the 1000's of officers at the camps that murdered 11 million ppl in the end? the einsatzgruppen who execution-style shot 100's of thousands of russian jews with a bullet to the head? in my mind, it's happened b4, therefore it's possible so it can happen again. i don't have school today but tomorrow i'll talk to mr. warwick (the physics teacher) about these claims and see if he agrees...

[Silver]

im not talking about religious faith. faith that people in general are good. if that was untrue why would people help each other? ever stop to help someone out? change a tire, ect...?people do these things all the time. i believe in RAK. random acts of kindness. by human nature we are good, thats why its so hard to believe that someone could do such a horrific thing with out de humanizing (brain washing) muslims into this way of life that foes on for generations. the only way to stop these acts are to educate the population and get them away from unsettleing thoughts. i come from a bad neighborhood, most of my family is from spanish harlem and the rest from jersey. the only family reunion that side of the family gets is when there is a parole hearing. so im more street smart then book smart, people in general are trust worthy then they should be so i dont think that a entire goverment would be able to keep things secret. too many people involved.

for example: if you wanted to kill someone say you neighbor for fucking your wife. you dont do it right away....you wait years maybe 5-10 years keep up on him...know where he lives...get a gun and cap him one day while at a light. or kick his door in at 1am and put him down.

now what does this have to do with anything....most people dont think or act in this fashion...most people are ...nice and trusting....when you go to the store how many times do you look over your shoulder? how many time do you in the store? why dont you keep a look out for someone to stick you in the store..you feel safe, secure....why? why wont the store let you get hurt? so they dont lose a customer? no....the store dont want to lose a customer but they will lose more then one customer because of it. they want you to have .faith that they are there for you they want your trust...you see the gov as big tobacco....but even the big tobacco company had snitches....the gov is power hungqy they are back stabbers and will cut you neck in a second if they got a chance. thats why there sre no secrets in the gov. look at UFO's...logically somewhere in the universe there has to be life...odds are in that favor. odds are there is intelligent life... the gov knows it thats why they deny it and dont do shit about it...do i believe in abuctions, or if they are here now...who the hell knows i dont know enough to care. just know that its leaky area

[Too Exclusive]

you're right, they can't keep a secret but they CAN keep a secret better than you think. what i've been trying to say is that the people who know are labeled conspiracy nuts and ignored. THAT'S the government's way of keeping a secret. label all the poeple who know the truth as conspiracy nuts and kill the whistleblowers before they reach the masses.

[=AFA=Napoleon]

OMG! another humanbeing with common sense! Praise the lord! I happen to be somewhat of a physics nut too exclusive and i know that there are many things, infact, majority of things in life that we cannot explain! I say prove to me it was a bomb! Why do you automatically jump to a bomb?

Ha! You say no one regretted doing what the did in the holocuast! OMG! WRONG!!!!
Germany as a country has apologized to the rest of the world, they feel horrible for what they did. THey learned from there mistakes and chances are they will not do it again. 6 Million jews died becuase of one man's ambition. It was mob mentality, follow the crowd. The German people were looking for a way out of depression and Hitler was they only way. They had faith and believed in him and followed him to the end of the earth. Kind of scary how one man can change the lives of millions. He was a genious, he brainwashed his people into believing he was right, all else was wrong. Don't try and tell me that no Germans felt true guilt and regrett for the holocaust.

[=AFA=Napoleon]

HAHAAHHAHHA! So why havn't they killed you yet? They government just doesn't go around killing people! That is insane, i do admit, they do some pretty evil stuff but they won't kill you. They will just break the 4th amendment and jail you until you shut up.

There is a difference between suspicious citizen and conspiracy nut. Suspicious citizens have ideas that are reasonable and have real evidence. Conspiracy nuts are blinded by truth, they only see what they want. All conspiracy nuts have is circumstantial evidence, which for the most part is bogus. The truth will set you free though.

[Silver]

you're right, they can't keep a secret but they CAN keep a secret better than you think. what i've been trying to say is that the people who know are labeled conspiracy nuts and ignored. THAT'S the government's way of keeping a secret. label all the poeple who know the truth as conspiracy nuts and kill the whistleblowers before they reach the masses.

actually the gov. does nothing when it lies. bill clinton is prime example "cannot confirm or deny..." rarely do they just lie. ufo cannot confirm or deny, just about everything they dont want he public to know about they give on answer. where i live (the land i live on infact!) is more toxic then love canal. the atomic bomb was constructed (part of it) 100 yards away from my door. the contamination is horrible. they dont ever say its not safe to live on but they say there is contamination. the same trick the devil uses (if you believe in hell) to make it easier to sin. if the devil stood in tyour doorway you would never sin, so he makes you believe he dont exist...

well anyways they cannot even keep something to themselves none can.

[Silver]

HAHAAHHAHHA! So why havn't they killed you yet? They government just doesn't go around killing people! That is insane, i do admit, they do some pretty evil stuff but they won't kill you. They will just break the 4th amendment and jail you until you shut up.

wrong....take ruby ridge as an example. they will kill you...and look at waco for a gov. cover up. notice these things they couldnt cover....no one can keep a secret if there is more then one person with knowlege of it.

sorry to double post....

This post has been edited by D. Silver: 03/01/05 6:38pm

[Too Exclusive]

2 examples of people killed: John O'neill (whistleblower of W199i, resigned from the FBI, went public, was killed on 9/11 (his first day on the job) after accepting a job in the north? tower...), and Sen. Paul Wellstone (the only patriot in the senate with balls enough to say that shit was wrong... he was HATED by the bush administration, died in a plane crash...)

[Silver]

W199i

thought Druid settled this awhile ago

[Too Exclusive]

never said he didnt... im simply presenting what happened to the guy who went public with W199i.

[Silver]

oh...ok
just to be honest....he could have been killed for fucking someones wife too ya know.

This post has been edited by D. Silver: 03/02/05 9:20pm

[Resolute]

I have read the posts here with interest.. I respect the research you and others have done Exclusive...at least it is a lot more than most do before expousing statements that are simply not true.

That said, I was at the Pentagon about 3 minutes after the plane hit. I ran there from my office. I am a criminal investigator with the Department of Defense and I spent the next 36 hours and the following 4 months doing witness interviews of the attack and spending 15 hours a day inside the destruction of the Pentagon pulling out pieces of airplane, removing bodies and body parts of the terrorists and the victims, and collecting evidence.

The reliability of witness accounts aside, not one witness, whether it be pedestrians, cabbies, civilians, military officers or others, disputed the facts as set out in what has become the official version. I saw security video of the plane hitting the Pentagon. I was in the Pentagon minutes after the plane hit.

The plane crashed into the Pentagon at high speed at virtually ground level at impact--although it was descending quickly from a fairly high altitude. Its fuel tanks were almost full. The Pentagon has bomb resistant windows--however, from the inside/out, not the outside/in. The Pentagon is a virtual fortress of concrete rings, fortified steel and rebar. These elements combined to create an incredible explosion that left only small pieces of plane on the inside, bigger pieces outside. The Pentagon is divided into wedges. The Pentagon was and is undergoing a massive multi year renovation. The plane hit across one recently renovated section and one 'old' section. Even though the Pentagon appears to be long spans of material, it is instead multiple sections 'pieced together' for lack of a better explanation from an expert. I saw all of this myself. This may in part explain your statement that the cavity left behind appeared to be a cross section.

I personally saw/collected hundreds of pieces of plane. Without going into detail of what may not already be publicly known--your theory is simply not true.

I am not a plane, building or explosives expert. I am an investigator. I will tell you without question a plane--not a missile, slammed into the Pentagon and killed a lot of people. It was tragic, it was chaotic, and it was an act of war. It was a helpless feeling and I had no way to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. That is, until 2003 when I was asked to go to Iraq and I did.

I don't denigrate the opinions here. Opinion and freedom of thought, expression and will are exactly what our wonderful country represents and encourages. I'm just trying to help set a small part of the record straight.

Res

[Too Exclusive]

that's respectable but one thing that boters me about the pentagon is they have NOT released any footage other than 5 small resolution frames of security... if a plane really did hit the pentagon... where's the footage? and can u draw a quick diagram of how the plane hit please? thanks...

[Too Exclusive]

PROOF THAT PULLING A BUILDING MEANS DEMOLISHING IT! I WATCHED A CLIP FROM THAT SAME PBS DOCUMENTARY AND TRANSCRIBED IT. HERE'S THE TRANSCRIPTION:

Narrator: By Mid-december, the department of design and construction had leveled World Trade Center buildings 4 and 5.
*PHONE RINGING*
Luis Mendes(Department of Design and Construction): Hello? O they're getting ready to pull building 6
Luis(in an interview): We had to be very careful about how we demolished building 6. We were worried about the building 6 coming down and then damaging the (slurred) so we wanted that building to fall within a certain area.
Engineer: There's a certain excitement in the air about bringing the last structure down at the World Trade Center.
*Shows building 6 being demolished then the engineers cheering*

IS THAT PROOF ENOUGH THAT 'PULL IT' MEANS TAKE DOWN THE BUILDING AND NOT THAT BS EXPLANATION THAT YOU GAVE!?

This post has been edited by Too Exclusive: 03/05/05 1:41pm