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post 05/14/05 1:29pm
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QUOTE(3rd ID Heavy D @ 05/14/05 9:57am)
a statistical annomoly (sp?) I'm sure.
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btw what did you mean by this i didnt catch that


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post 05/14/05 2:31pm
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QUOTE(||KhemisT|| @ 05/14/05 2:29pm)
This was a very rare and unfortunate circumstance that are 2 top players had problems with Reverend shutting down, but so be it.



a·nom·a·ly (ə-nŏm'ə-lē)

One that is peculiar, irregular, abnormal, or difficult to classify:

a·nom'a·lis'tic adj.
a·nom'a·lis'ti·cal·ly adv.

Anomaly means rare to happen.

This is simple math; the odds that 2 players would have the same problem out of 12 is perhaps 144 to 1 odds but it's not that simple because you have to determine what the odds are of having Reverend hang up while leaving a match or a power outage or interuption for example.

You can't quantify the odds of hanging up by closing reverend. You can guess at the odds (it's never happened to me for 150 or so rev matches and scrimms so my odds would be greater than 150 to 1 but let's use that number anyway for me. My odds are 150/1 and let's say that Mikevoltas odds are the same so the odds that we both have a hang up would be (150 X 150) 22,500 to 1. The odds that both Mikey and I had problems plus we finished the match in second to last and last place would be (odds X 12 then X 11) 1 in 2,970,000 which is pretty long odds; that means if you bet a dollar on the likelyhood of it happening, you would win almost 3 million dollars [less taxes of course]

If you say the odds of hanging while closing reverend are 20 - 1 which is insanely generous then the overall odds are [20 X 20 X 12 X 11] 52,800 to 1 meaning that same dollar bet would net you 52 thousand dollars.

We know that a power failure to your computer would have the same effect as hanging up as far as creating the Zip file for Reverend. I have never had a power outage while closing out after a match so you could say that the odds of me or another player on my team having a power outage while closing our game is 1000-1 meaning the odds of two players having power issues at the same time would increase it to 1,000,000 to one now the chance of us both having a power outage and being ranked last and second to last in a match would be (X 12 then X11) 132,000,000 or 132 million to one odds. Very rare indeed and would net you the kind of money where you could buy a Ferrari Enzo and it wouldn't make a dent and could then afford to pay Natalie Portman to give you lap dance that would include the "finest bottle of champange" in the bar.

Hope this clears things up, it's a little slow at work right now

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post 05/14/05 2:50pm
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LOL, you don't have to give me a dictionary defenition of a word, I know exactly what it means. And no it's not 1,000,000:1 , considering there was only 6 of us, how did you come up with that in the first place? you spent way too much time on thing that up, when it makes no sense at all. Reverend freezes often , and Bart is aware of that, but however it had no effect on this match outcome whatsoever. I sent in the same ss that everyone else did, just not compressed, and I sent the same to Bart which he can open them and he just might send it to Mars to prove myself innocent. I don't see the sense in debating this, a great win for =SK= ... period.
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post 05/14/05 3:33pm
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Hey heavy didn't we have to start the match about 5 to 10 mins late because Mar's computer which was running MW crashed due to a power outage or surge of some sort???? lol


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post 05/14/05 4:21pm
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soooooooooooooo whats the weather like outside at your homes?


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post 05/14/05 4:44pm
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QUOTE(3rd ID Heavy D @ 05/13/05 9:25pm)

Players were;

ReJect - very high kill ratios - both matches
Khemist - very high kill ratios - both matches
Rocker - good scores - both matches
Peter Parker - average scores 4/7 match only
Sweetfire - average scores 4/7 match only
Injector - Good scores 4/25 match only
Jet - average scores 4/25 match only


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peter parker isnt even on that team. was he a fill in?


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post 05/14/05 4:55pm
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I was quoting you because you stated how 'rare' it was but I was actually replying to ReJect who seemed to be asking for further details about the word.

You're missing several points butt you seem like a smart enough guy [actually I heard that one or both of you were another SK member's kids or something.]

Again the last paragraph was a hypothectical and it was concerning 'unintentional' power interuption. That's where the odds were 132,000,000 to one, not a million to 1. So for example the odds of you and ReJect having a cat chew through your PC power chord while your both trying to exit a match is several million to one odds, you cannot disagree about this because it is just so rare, in my lifetime it will never happen in an OGL match (though some may claim the '2 cats defense' in the future butt that would be a different thing.)

There were 6 players on SK, you might want to add the other team into the statistic [6+6=12]. Again, we are discussing the likelyhood of the 2 top shooters (in perhaps every match SK has played as far as I can tell) both having the same exact problem while scoring 1 and 2 in a match. A rare problem agreed [refer to 20-1 odds if you like.] There were 12 players, 6 with zero problems, 5 or 6 with a few and 2 with serious ones. statistics for a group are descending since the first outcome makes the next outcome less likely by 1 person [X12 then X11.]

If you want to change the odds for your own math it reverses because if you say the likelyhood is more likely then the odds are greater that the problem will happen to more people. In other words if the odds are 3-1 on "hanging up" while leaving a match, then everyone is more likely to have the same problem.

So to get a better idea let's really inflate the odds in your favor and say that the odds of locking up while the zip file is created are 6-1 which matches the actual match outcome. The new math is [1 in 6] X [1 in 6] then X [1 in 12] X [1 in 11] or; 1 time in every four thousand seven hundred and fifty two matches. We all know the actual odds are a bit higher.

I am genuinely sorry that both of you who had a wonderful game were both unable to exit the game properly for whatever reason and the zip's weren't created and the [more important I believe] text files were lost. As outlined above the odds are that it will never happen ever again to both of you at the same time while finishing 1 & 2 in a 12 person match.

Again your problem was an anomaly, I'm sure.

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post 05/14/05 4:58pm
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QUOTE(=SK=_Injector @ 05/14/05 4:33pm)
Hey heavy didn't we have to start the match about 5 to 10 mins late because Mar's computer which was running MW crashed due to a power outage or surge of some sort???? lol




He did have a power surge, thank god it didn't happen while reverend was creating his anti-cheat folders.
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post 05/14/05 5:34pm
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QUOTE(3rd ID Heavy D @ 05/14/05 5:55pm)
I was quoting you because you stated how 'rare' it was but I was actually replying to ReJect who seemed to be asking for further details about the word.

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So to get a better idea let's really inflate the odds in your favor and say that the odds of locking up while the zip file is created are 6-1 which matches the actual match outcome. The new math is [1 in 6] X [1 in 6] then X [1 in 12] X [1 in 11] or;  1 time in every four thousand seven hundred and fifty two matches. We all know the actual odds are a bit higher.

I am genuinely sorry that both of you who had a wonderful game were both unable to exit the game properly for whatever reason and the zip's weren't created and the [more important I believe] text files were lost. As outlined above the odds are that it will never happen ever again to both of you at the same time while finishing 1 & 2 in a 12 person match.

Again your problem was an anomaly, I'm sure.

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you have alot of time on your hands dont you.. biggrin.gif
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post 05/14/05 6:27pm
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too much time at times,

I didn't even get into the odds where someone would intentionally pull a power cord to prevent screenies/ zips/ text files and it's relationship to previous issues where critical screenies couldn't be produced.

I am sure this is the first time these guys couldn't produce the proper files [anomaly.] as the odds mentioned above, if this is a pattern then there is a real problem within the ranks of SK.

I got a PM about this yesterday; has anyone heard of a scenario where someone would intentionally shut down or pull power so they could prevent the zip folder and send what they wanted and lose what they didn't. The sender seemed pretty smart.

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post 05/14/05 6:59pm
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can you guys take the beef somewhere else. I'm sick of reading you two going back and forth. U guys have forums right?


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post 05/14/05 7:12pm
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dont worry, i started one on 3rd id's forums biggrin.gif i cant start one on sk's cause they banned me from talking the truth. sad.gif

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post 05/14/05 7:38pm
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Sorry for all the bs AmbiencE. Spoke the truth gomer? LOL you accused me of hacking, which was only after you had left =SK=. When I was in =SK= 2 eyars prior to you leaving in OGL play and all, you wanted me to make every match, so apparently I just started hacking when you left? hmm.... lol
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post 05/14/05 7:48pm
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leave a address where i can follow the bs...i thought it was funny
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ive had many people outside of sk thats been telling me all of sk hacks. this was after i gave it up. oh, how were you in sk for 2 years when sk wasnt even 2 years old when i left? you were only in there about 6-8 months with your brother reject. and if it wasnt for your dad (rocker) you would have never been in sk due to the age. hes the one that told me, lineman and doodle about all the crap you and reject had on his pc and reverend wouldnt work right so he had to format. its kind of funny how people from outside the clan say someone in sk was using a reverend bypass till the last reverend update. and its bad that with all the clans we had as allies when i was running sk wont have anything to do with sk now. maybe its the clan management you think?

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