What REALLY happened on 9/11, the truth of 9/11... carry an open mind. Options

[Silver]

I have read the posts here with interest.. I respect the research you and others have done Exclusive...at least it is a lot more than most do before expousing statements that are simply not true. 

That said, I was at the Pentagon about 3 minutes after the plane hit.  I ran there from my office.  I am a criminal investigator with the Department of Defense and I spent the next 36 hours and the following 4 months doing witness interviews of the attack and spending 15 hours a day inside the destruction of the Pentagon pulling out pieces of airplane, removing bodies and body parts of the terrorists and the victims, and collecting evidence.

The reliability of witness accounts aside, not one witness, whether it be pedestrians, cabbies, civilians, military officers or others, disputed the facts as set out in what has become the official version.  I saw security video of the plane hitting the Pentagon.  I was in the Pentagon minutes after the plane hit.

The plane crashed into the Pentagon at high speed at virtually ground level at impact--although it was descending quickly from a fairly high altitude.  Its fuel tanks were almost full.  The Pentagon has bomb resistant windows--however, from the inside/out, not the outside/in.  The Pentagon is a virtual fortress of concrete rings, fortified steel and rebar.  These elements combined to create an incredible explosion that left only small pieces of plane on the inside, bigger pieces outside.  The Pentagon is divided into wedges.  The Pentagon was and is undergoing a massive multi year renovation.  The plane hit across one recently renovated section and one 'old' section.  Even though the Pentagon appears to be long spans of material, it is instead multiple sections 'pieced together' for lack of a better explanation from an expert.  I saw all of this myself.  This may in part explain your statement that the cavity left behind appeared to be a cross section. 

I personally saw/collected hundreds of pieces of plane.  Without going into detail of what may not already be publicly known--your theory is simply not true.

I am not a plane, building or explosives expert.  I am an investigator.  I will tell you without question a plane--not a missile, slammed into the Pentagon and killed a lot of people.  It was tragic, it was chaotic, and it was an act of war.  It was a helpless feeling and I had no way to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.  That is, until 2003 when I was asked to go to Iraq and I did.

I don't denigrate the opinions here.  Opinion and freedom of thought, expression and will are exactly what our wonderful country represents and encourages.  I'm just trying to help set a small part of the record straight.

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hummmm.... from someone that was there....(who knows!)

the footage is messed up and im sure the gov does not want anyone studying the effects a plne hitting the pentagon...for various reasons!

a plane hit the pentagon....stop trying to hold on to your conspircy.

BTW....go find a few kids in your highschool or neighborhood and tell them this shit...(it should get you beat up)

tard

[Too Exclusive]

well ya see those ARENT photoshopped because you cant find any other version anywhere. that gray IS part of the vapor trail, and vapor trails from missiles ARENT transparent. so that gray thing IS a vapor trail coming from w/e hit the pentagon. obviously it's not a 757. you have to remember. w/e hit the pentagon approached on rumsfeld's side, then did a 270 degree turn so instead of killing rumsfeld, it hit the section that was being renovated. and trust me, doing a 270 degree turn at 400 mph in a 757 is NOT easy, considering the flight instructors of the guy who hijacked flight 77 (hanjour or w/e he said) all said that he was an AWFUL pilot. awful pilot->insane stunts? and also, explain to me why these are the ONLY 5 frames released by the pentagon from the security camera, y they are such shitty resolution, y don't they release the OTHER frames of this camera that are inbetween these frames... maybe make it 30 fps instead of 1 fps :/ why dont they release the security footage from the camera on top of the sheraton hotel (that was pointed at the pentagon that morning)? y dont they release the security tapes for the gas station whose camera was pointed at the pentagon? we KNOW they have these... so y wouldnt they just release it and clear themselves of guilt?

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hummmm.... from someone that was there....(who knows!)

the footage is messed up and im sure the gov does not want anyone studying the effects a plne hitting the pentagon...for various reasons!

y would that be? something like this can never happen again... it SHOULDN'T have happened if the government did its job in the first place... remember... they track everything on radar, if something was headed towards DC they SHOULD HAVE SHOT IT DOWN. so i doubt they'll do this again because if they let this happen AGAIN the american people would go "wait, why the hell didn't they shoot that plane down like they SHOULD have done on the first attack"
dude, NORAD did SIXTY SEVEN intercepts in the year prior to 9/11. if an aircraft's transponder goes off and the FAA loses contact, it gets the military and tells them, the military gets some fighters to investigate. THOSE PLANES SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN, AND YOU KNOW IT.

[Silver]

acutalluy i thought that once a transponder goes out and they lose contact with radar (and radio) it is considered a downed craft and a search is put out.

correct me if i am wrong.

before the gov. could have done anything the news company (FOX) was interviewing the people (still) on the highway (they were still reporting a hit at the DC mall) and everyone said it was a plane (still unconfirmed at that point.)

why wouldnt the gov want anyone studying an impact at the pentagon? 1 thing come from a study...inporvement.....who wants to improve things from 9-11-01?
2 people....terrorists and the gov....studying the hit for the terrorists would help improve another attack. I agree that they should release the footage from the hotel...but not of the impact its self.

a cruise missle wouldnt have done that much damage. it would have absorbed the explosion (in the outter ring and a lil damage to the second. but the penetration of the 3rd layer (from just a weighted object...like an engine or structural steel) caused the 3rd layer photo u put up.

the gov is not innocient...waco, ruby ridge ...thats proof enough....but they didnt attack themselves or the twin towers.

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omg I JUST SAID IT DOESNT MATTER IF THE "TERRORISTS" GOT A HOLD OF THAT VIDEO OR NOT BECAUSE IF THEY TRY TO FLY PLANES INTO THE PENTAGON AGAIN THEY'LL BE SHOT DOWN LIKE THEY SHOULD'VE THE FIRST TIME.

[Too Exclusive]

second of all, the engine didnt even GO INSIDE the pentagon... remember?

[Silver]

second of all, the engine didnt even GO INSIDE the pentagon... remember?

well since i wasnt there picking up debris i dont think i could tell you what was inside...


but im sure the goverments involvement with space aliens (vulcans i assume) is part of it right?

[Frosty]

If they get ahold of the footage, they could find out how the impact affected the building and thus develop a more effective way of attacking the pentagon.

Eyewitness accounts are more convincing than "the pilot couldn't have done that." Just because he was a lousy pilot doesn't mean he couldn't pull off a turn like that. I mean, most of the time, when you consider a pilot, you evaluate him on how well he can safely perform a maneuver, and obviously he wasn't too concerned with safety here. Hey, people can do crazy things in planes on video games (with realistic physics systems) because they're not concerned about dying; same case here.

And the interceptions NORAD made before, as has been made clear, were international flights, not domestic ones. Also, before 9-11, saying that the military shuold shoot down any domestic flight would have been considered insane. You are too young to remember this, I know, but take my word for it.

And I still am not convinced that is a vapor trail in the first picture. It just doesn't look like one.

You never answered my question, by the way.

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And the interceptions NORAD made before, as has been made clear, were international flights, not domestic ones.

WRONG. Payne stewart? ring a bell?

and that whole terrorist getting a hold of the video tape god that's such bullshit... think about it... after 9/11 they're NOT gonna let a terrorist attack the pentagon, security would be too tight. i dont know how u think of bullshit like that.

1 plane hit the north tower, 1 plane hit the south tower, dont u think they should say "HEY! THERE'S A HIJACKED PLANE HEADED FOR WASHINGTON DC, WE'RE UNDER ATTACK, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, WE SHOULD SHOOT THE SUNUVABITCH DOWN. WOW, WHAT A CONCEPT."

u HONESTLY thing our military's THAT fuckin incompetent (o yea that's what the 9/11 commission report says, that it was simultaneous incompetence on all levels).

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you know what...i did it...it was me....and the space aliens....we blew up the pentagon with our space ray. we also used our mind control to fly the planes in to the WTC. we blew up building #7 as well...why? for kicks..... we all laughed and got drunk. yup me, GWB and the aliens....i admit to it you are right i was wrong... it was the gov and me and the aleins....the gov paid us to do it in chick-o-sticks and molsen select.

happy...btw the valet at area 51 sucks he dinged our BMW UFO

[Frosty]

You're not even worth talking to, bud. Can't keep a civil discussion. It seems to be a waste of time posting here. And no, Payne Stewart doesn't ring a bell. Sorry.

"Terrorists are not going to attack the pentagon again." I truly hope you're right on that one. I hope terrorists never again are able to attack our soil. Unfortunately, in order to ensure that, we would have to give up the liberty we hold so dearly in this country. And that would indeed be a victory for them.

And besides, on the plane headed for DC, you said it was lost on radar. How would they know, then, where it was? Also, I tihnk the military would need permission from above to authorize such an attack. And, I thought you said earlier that this was a police matter, not a military matter.

Anyways, you still haven't answered my question.

[Too Exclusive]

i never said it was a police matter??? WTF??? there were reports that cheney gave the standdown order NOT to shoot down flight 77 going torwards washington... and what was ur question?

[Frosty]

Are you even open in the slightest bit to the possibility that they were planes that hit all three buildings, and that there were no charges set to detonate them?

About the police matter.... it was said by someone on here then. It's been too long since I went through and read all this. I thought it was you though. Sorry bud.

So, now you admit flight 77 was going toward Washington. Where did it go, then, if not the Pentagon? Your evidence is now suggesting that you agree that it was a 757 that hit the building, but that it was the governemnt's fault for not stopping it. I will concede that that is a much more tenable position than saying a missile hit it.

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so then even if they LET it happen, does that not put guilt on them? that's like sayin u can easily stop a murder you know is going to happen by pushing a button... but u dont.

[Silver]

huh....intresting enough....but you cant take preemptive measures before a crime happens. ummm...you cant shoot a rapist till he tries to commit the act. you cant defend yourself untill the actor has attacked. even if you know he is going to attack.