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| holden_caulfield |
 07/08/05 2:45pm
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Opiate for the masses is all it is...
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| Frosty |
07/08/05 8:37pm
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 Second Lieutenant Group: Forum Member Posts: 243 Joined: April 30th 2004 From: Muncie, IN Member No.: 725 |
And Marxism never worked....
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| holden_caulfield |
07/09/05 12:46am
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Actually, communism never worked.
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| holden_caulfield |
07/09/05 12:48am
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And I wasn't making a dig at all you religious folks. Just a quote.
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| Frosty |
07/09/05 9:46am
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QUOTE(holden_caulfield @ 07/09/05 12:46am) Actually, communism never worked.  And Marxism has succeeded? That's actually an honest question; I know it's not strictly a form of government, but many have argued that while communism has failed, Marxism would work. -------------------- |
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| holden_caulfield |
07/10/05 8:11am
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Oh I don't know about that. I was taught that Marxism is strictly an ideology, whereas communism is its implementation (sad attempts for the most part). Most people remember his socio-political philosophy, and those are the terms that stick with us--means of production, superstructure and base, proletariat, etc. But he also had a very interesting idea of how human history unfolded, how it was cyclic and yet, at the same time, not cyclic.
A few quarters back I took a class on literary criticism and I was surprised to find out that not only has Marxism has heavily influenced contemporary literary criticism, but that its influence continues to this day. Marxist theorists are a dime a dozen, so I hear. So to me Marxism hasn't completely failed. Though his final vision was flawed, the ideas that got him there are still being used today. There was an awesome website which described this literary school (and lots of other literary schools), but I lost it. Sloppy seconds will have to do. Maybe ML knows more about Marx? Just a guess. |
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| Frosty |
07/10/05 8:28am
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Oh, yes. Especially in Latin America, Marxist influence is very heavy. Especially his theories on history, and of course his socio-political theories quickly follow as a result. I mentioned it failing because if you've read Communist literature, lip service to Marx (and Lenin, if the nation has any soviet influence, or Mao if Chinese) is essential. Marx is viewed as the "deity" of their communist structure, and thus in my mind, when communism failed, so did Marxism. It's as if it's great to write about in literature, but impossible to implement in society. I hope that explains what I meant.
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| holden_caulfield |
07/10/05 10:10am
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Yeah I completely agree with. Marx didn't understand human nature at all.
Btw have you read any communist literature? Pure cornball. |
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07/10/05 11:58am
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That was communism's greatest downfall, besides the fact that it was implemented in places where it wouldn't thrive, was that it did not recognize basic human nature. Now Freud, there was a man with foresight...
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| Frosty |
07/10/05 1:01pm
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QUOTE(Blakjak @ 07/10/05 11:58am) Now Freud, there was a man with foresight... lmao, too funny! And yes, Communist literature is ridiculous.... -------------------- |
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| holden_caulfield |
07/10/05 1:14pm
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Second Lieutenant Group: Forum Member Posts: 211 Joined: February 2nd 2005 From: silicon valley Member No.: 1051 |
[quote=Frosty,07/10/05 1:01pm]
[quote=Blakjak,07/10/05 11:58am]Now Freud, there was a man with foresight... [/quote] Freud could BS his way around anything and keep you entertained at the same time. Wish I could do that  |
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